-2.1.17 IVP y''-2y=e^{2t} \quad y(0)=2

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The discussion revolves around solving the initial value problem given by the differential equation $$y''-2y=e^{2t}$$ with the initial condition $$y(0)=2$$. Participants explore various methods for finding the solution, including the use of integrating factors and characteristic equations.

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  • Some participants express uncertainty about the form of the equation, questioning whether it should be $$y'-2y=e^{2t}$$ instead of $$y''-2y=e^{2t}$$.
  • One participant suggests starting with the homogeneous solution and proposes using an integrating factor to solve the equation.
  • Another participant provides a detailed approach using the integrating factor $$\mu(t)=e^{-2t}$$ and outlines steps to derive the solution.
  • There is a discussion about the correctness of the integrating factor notation, with a participant correcting the use of $$u(v)$$ to $$u(t)$$.
  • One participant mentions the importance of proper notation for the exponential function, suggesting that $$\exp()$$ should be bracketed correctly.
  • A participant concludes with a proposed solution $$y(t) = (t+2)e^{2t}$$, indicating confidence in their result.
  • Another participant acknowledges the correctness of the solution but points out minor notational issues.

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Participants generally agree on the approach to solving the problem, but there are disagreements regarding the initial form of the equation and the notation used in the calculations. The discussion remains unresolved on the initial equation's form.

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There are limitations regarding the clarity of the initial equation and the assumptions made about the integrating factor. The discussion also highlights the importance of notation in mathematical expressions.

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find the solution of the given initial value problem
$$y''-2y=e^{2t} \quad y(0)=2$$

not sure about the $e^{2t}$
 
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karush said:
find the solution of the given initial value problem
$$y''-2y=e^{2t} \quad y(0)=2$$

not sure about the $e^{2t}$

First things first...what is the homogeneous solution?
 
ok first I noticed this should be
$$y'-2y=e^{2t} \quad y(0)=2$$
$\tiny{2.1.17}$
\begin{align*}
\displaystyle
y'-2y&=e^{2t} \quad y(0)=2\\
u(v)&=-\exp\int 2 \, dt=-e^{2t}\\
-e^{2t}y'+2e^{2t}&=-e^{4t}
\end{align*}

so far ?
 
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karush said:
ok first I noticed this should be
$$y'-2y=e^{2t} \quad y(0)=2$$
$\tiny{2.1.17}$
\begin{align*}
\displaystyle
y'-2y&=e^{2t} \quad y(0)=2\\
u(v)&=-\exp\int 2 \, dt=-e^{2t}\\
-e^{2t}y'+2e^{2t}&=-e^{4t}
\end{align*}
so far ?

Okay, your integrating factor should be:

$$\mu(t)=\exp\left(-2\int\,dt\right)=e^{-2t}$$

You cannot "pull" the negative sign out of the exp() function like that, since $$e^{-x}\ne-e^x$$

Now, give that a go. :)
 
ok that's a very helpful thing to know
I'm going to continue this and some more tomorrow

just really hard to do this on a small tablet
 
When are you going to give up on the integrating factor as your only tool and use the Characteristic Equation?
 
tkhunny said:
When are you going to give up on the integrating factor as your only tool and use the Characteristic Equation?

What is the Characteristic Equation?

$\tiny{2.1.17}$
\begin{align*}
\displaystyle
y'-2y&=e^{2t} \quad y(0)=2\\
u(v)&=\exp\int 2 \, dt=e^{-2t}\\
e^{-2t}y'+2e^{-2t}y&=1\\
(e^{-2t}y)'&=1\\
e^{-2t}y&=\int \, dt =t+c\\
y& = c_1 e^{2 t} + e^{2 t} t
\end{align*}

So if $y(0)=2$ then,
\begin{align*}
y(0)&=c e^{2(0)}+e^{2(0)}(0)=2\\
&= c(1)+0=2\\
c&=2
\end{align*}

finally
$y(t) =2 e^{2 t} + e^{2 t} t$
or
$y=(t+2)e^{2t}$

ok think this is it
 
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karush said:
What is the Characteristic Equation?

$\tiny{2.1.17}$
\begin{align*}
\displaystyle
y'-2y&=e^{2t} \quad y(0)=2\\
u(v)&=\exp\int 2 \, dt=e^{-2t}\\
e^{-2t}y'+2e^{-2t}y&=1\\
(e^{-2t}y)'&=1\\
e^{-2t}y&=\int \, dt =t+c\\
y& = c_1 e^{2 t} + e^{2 t} t
\end{align*}

So if $y(0)=2$ then,
\begin{align*}
y(0)&=c e^{2(0)}+e^{2(0)}(0)=2\\
&= c(1)+0=2\\
c&=2
\end{align*}

finally
$y(t) =2 e^{2 t} + e^{2 t} t$
or
$y=(t+2)e^{2t}$

ok think this is it

That's correct.
 
MarkFL said:
That's correct.
Almost all right.

@karush: The integrating factor is u(t), not u(v). A picky point but necessary.

-Dan
 
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topsquark said:
Almost all right.

@karush: The integrating factor is u(t), not u(v). A picky point but necessary.

-Dan

Also, $$\exp()$$ is defined as a function, and should have bracketing but I point things out once. If it's ignored then I leave it alone. I've pointed both out in the past, and that's why I was silent on them this time around.
 
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that's interesting
the textbook does not show the $\exp()$surprised this got so many views
 

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