2.2.294 Euler's method word problem

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The discussion revolves around a word problem involving Euler's method applied to a scenario with a paper boat and its velocity, as well as the velocity of George retrieving the boat. Participants explore the estimation of derivatives based on given data points and mathematical models for velocity. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and homework-related inquiries.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • George's velocity is modeled by a function $g(t)$, and participants discuss estimating $g'(10.5)$ using the values provided in a table.
  • One participant suggests using the average rate of change formula to estimate $g'(10.5)$, arriving at an approximation of $\dfrac{3}{7} \, m/s^2$.
  • The velocity of the paper boat is modeled by the function $p(t)=(e^{0.05t}-\cos(0.35t))\left[6-\dfrac{t}{5}\right]$, and participants calculate $p'(7)$ using different approaches, with one participant arriving at a value of approximately $1.4387$.
  • Another participant provides a detailed calculation for $p'(7)$, yielding a different result of approximately $0.9153$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing results for the calculation of $p'(7)$, indicating a lack of consensus on this point. The estimation of $g'(10.5)$ is also presented with a specific approach, but no agreement is reached on the method or final value.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the use of a table of values for $g(t)$, but the assumptions behind the estimation methods and the accuracy of the models are not fully explored. The discussion includes various interpretations of the mathematical expressions involved.

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George makes a paper boat with his brother Bill and goes out in the rain to play with it. It falls in the stream along the curb, racing towards the sewer.
Let t be measured in seconds, p be the velocity of the paper boat in meters/second and g be George’s velocity, measured in meters/seconds.
At $t = 28$, if George has not retrieved his boat, it will fall in the sewer, Let the position of George and his boat both be 0 at $t = 0$
$$\begin{array}{rrrrrrr}
x&0&7&14&21&28\\
g(t)&0&5&8&6&4
\end{array}$$
a. George's velocity is modeled by the function $g(t)$. Certain values of g are given in the table. Estimate the value of $g'(10.5)$, including units of measure.

the table points are on this Desmos plot. the first 3 pts are not a straight line but could represent a section of a parabola
then take the d/dx?

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ok actually not sure what to do with this and its due tom
 
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c. The velocity of the paper boat is modeled by the function
$\displaystyle p(t)=(e^{0.05t}-\cos(0.35t))\left[6-\dfrac{t}{5}\right]$
what is the value of $p'(7)$
$$p'=\frac{0.2\left(-t+30\right)\left(e^{0.05\left(t\right)}-\cos\left(0.35\left(t\right)\right)\right)}{t}$$
then
$$p'(7)=\frac{0.2\left(-t+30\right)\left(e^{0.05\left(t\right)}-\cos\left(0.35\left(t\right)\right)\right)}{t}=1.43868207031$$
 
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$t=10.5$ is midway between $t=7$ and $t=14$

best estimate with the given data ...

$g'(10.5) \approx \dfrac{g(14)-g(7)}{14-7} = \dfrac{3}{7} \, m/s^2$
 
skeeter said:
$t=10.5$ is midway between $t=7$ and $t=14$

best estimate with the given data ...

$g'(10.5) \approx \dfrac{g(14)-g(7)}{14-7} = \dfrac{3}{7} \, m/s^2$
thanks
 
karush said:
c. The velocity of the paper boat is modeled by the function
$\displaystyle p(t)=(e^{0.05t}-\cos(0.35t))\left[6-\dfrac{t}{5}\right]$
what is the value of $p'(7)$
$$p'=\frac{0.2\left(-t+30\right)\left(e^{0.05\left(t\right)}-\cos\left(0.35\left(t\right)\right)\right)}{t}$$
then
$$p'(7)=\frac{0.2\left(-t+30\right)\left(e^{0.05\left(t\right)}-\cos\left(0.35\left(t\right)\right)\right)}{t}=1.43868207031$$

done
 
$p(t) = [e^{0.05t}-\cos(0.35t)] \cdot \left(6-\dfrac{t}{5}\right)$

$p'(t) = [e^{0.05t}-\cos(0.35t)] \cdot \left(-\dfrac{1}{5}\right) + \left(6-\dfrac{t}{5}\right) \cdot [0.05e^{0.05t}+0.35\sin(0.35t)]$

$p'(7) = [e^{0.35}-\cos(2.45)] \cdot \left(-\dfrac{1}{5}\right) + \left(\dfrac{23}{5}\right) \cdot [0.05e^{0.35}+0.35\sin(2.45)] = 0.9153$
 

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