2(5) − cot [4 arctan 0.2 + (i/2) ln i] − 1

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of divergent sums, particularly focusing on the expression in the thread title and related mathematical concepts. Participants explore various approaches to assigning values to divergent series, including the famous result of -1/12, while also sharing humorous or unconventional interpretations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants caution against dividing by the expression in the title, suggesting it may lead to undefined results.
  • There are multiple references to the sum $$\frac{1}{12} + \sum _{n = 1} ^\infty n$$, with participants attempting to refine or correct their evaluations of this sum.
  • One participant notes that without specifying how divergent sums are evaluated, the formula lacks a well-defined meaning, acknowledging that there are various methods to assign finite values to such sums.
  • Another participant humorously recounts a past experience of using unconventional sums to challenge a teacher, indicating a playful approach to the topic.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the implications of assigning values to divergent series, particularly in relation to physical interpretations, such as velocities.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the evaluation of divergent sums, with multiple competing views and interpretations presented throughout the discussion.

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Limitations include the lack of clarity on the methods used to evaluate divergent sums and the dependence on specific definitions, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Don't ever divide anything by the quantity in the title.

Post your favorite "fancy zeros" here.
 
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$$\frac{1}{12} + \sum _{n = 1} ^\infty n$$
 
axmls said:
$$\frac{1}{12} + \sum _{n = 1} ^\infty n$$

That should probably be

−1/12 + Σ(2,∞) 1/n⁴

Edit: whoops, no. That doesn't seem quite right, either. I evaluated ten million terms of the sum and came up with −0.0010100996222299347, so

−1/12 + 1/999 + Σ(2,∞) 1/n⁴

seems to be nearer to zero.
 
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Jenab2 said:
That should probably be

−1/12 + Σ(2,∞) 1/n⁴

Edit: whoops, no. That doesn't seem quite right, either. I evaluated ten million terms of the sum and came up with −0.0010100996222299347, so

−1/12 + 1/999 + Σ(2,∞) 1/n⁴

seems to be nearer to zero.

Nope, it's written as I intended.
 
Unless you specify how divergent sums are to be evaluated, the formula is not well-defined.
Yes there is a specific way that leads to -1/12, but this is by far not the only way to assign finite values to divergent sums.
 
mfb said:
Unless you specify how divergent sums are to be evaluated, the formula is not well-defined.
Yes there is a specific way that leads to -1/12, but this is by far not the only way to assign finite values to divergent sums.

It was a somewhat tongue-in-cheek answer, if that wasn't clear.
 
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I tried something like this to mess with my maths teacher in senior year once, replaced pi with some weird sums.
 
1 / Σ(1,∞) n = 0
1 / { 1/a + 1 / Σ(1,∞) n } = a, a≠0.
 
Jenab2 said:
1 / Σ(1,∞) n = 0
1 / { 1/a + 1 / Σ(1,∞) n } = a, a≠0.

See here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_+_2_+_3_+_4_+_⋯

There are ways to assign a value to that sum using alternate methods. That was the "tongue-in-cheek" aspect of my response.
 
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axmls said:
See here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_+_2_+_3_+_4_+_⋯
There are ways to assign a value to that sum using alternate methods. That was the "tongue-in-cheek" aspect of my response.
Ah. My difficulty in appreciating the assignment was caused by my thinking of scalars in vector terms. Consider velocities in the same direction, classically being added, tail to head:

v₁ + v₂ + v₃ + v₄ + ...

where each velocity is in the direction of the +x axis and the magnitude of the velocities is proportional to the subscript.

How is it that an object, moving through an infinite succession of changes-of-velocity, all of them forward, might end up moving BACKWARD at a speed of 1/12 velocity units?

I'd figured that this was a case of getting a strange result out of an indeterminate form.
 

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