Neither of those is a real number, much less a positive real number.

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The discussion revolves around the exponential form of complex numbers, specifically the expression for 1/j and the calculation of the magnitude of complex numbers. Participants explore definitions and methods related to these concepts, including Euler's identity and the geometric interpretation of complex numbers.

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  • One participant asks how to derive the exponential form of 1/j, mentioning a specific expression e^(-j*pi/2) without understanding its origin.
  • Another participant explains that 1/j equals -j and shows the derivation by multiplying by j/j.
  • A different participant reiterates the question about the exponential form of 1/j and provides a detailed derivation using Euler's identity and Euler's formula, concluding that e^(-i*pi/2) equals -i.
  • One participant expresses frustration with the complexity of the question.
  • A participant attempts to define the magnitude of a complex number as √(X + iY), which is challenged by another participant who states that the correct magnitude is √(X^2 + Y^2).
  • The same participant provides an example to illustrate the calculation of the magnitude and discusses the square root of a complex number, presenting two possible forms for √(i).

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There is disagreement regarding the definition of the magnitude of a complex number, with one participant asserting a specific formula while another challenges it. The discussion on the exponential form of 1/j includes multiple approaches and derivations, with no consensus reached on the simplest or most intuitive method.

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Some participants rely on specific definitions and properties of complex numbers that may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion includes various interpretations of the magnitude and the exponential form, highlighting the complexity of these concepts.

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How do you get the exponential form of 1/j? I saw a problem that says it's e^(-j*pi/2) but I have no idea where that came from.

Also, if you have a complex number, z, how do you find it's magnitude? For example, e^(j*pi*t - pi/2). In my book when they square the the magnitude of a complex number they multiply by the conjugate (e.g. |z|^2 = e^(j*pi*t - pi/2) * e^(-j*pi*t + pi/2) Why is this? Thanks for any help.
 
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For your first question, note that 1/j = -j. To get this take 1/j and multiply by j/j:
\frac{1}{j}=\frac{j}{j^2}=-j

For your second question, the definition of the magnitude of a complex number is that it is the square root of itself times its complex conjugate. To see that this corresponds to the distance from the origin when complex numbers are plotted as points in a plane, notice that if z=a+bj, then
zz*=(a+bj)(a-bj)=a2 + b2
Which is the square of the distance from the origin by the Pythagorean theorem.
 
Bob Busby said:
How do you get the exponential form of 1/j? I saw a problem that says it's e^(-j*pi/2) but I have no idea where that came from.
You could start with Euler's identity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler's_identity:

e^{i \pi} + 1 = 0

==>

e^{i \pi} = -1

(e^{i \pi})^{1/2} = \sqrt{-1} = i

e^{i \pi/2} = i

(e^{i \pi/2})^{-1} = \frac{1}{i} = -i

e^{-i \pi/2} = -i

Alternatively you could start with Euler's formula:

e^{i\varphi} = \cos{\varphi} + i \sin{\varphi}

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler's_formula

Now from this Wikipedia diagram of the complex plane...

220px-Euler%27s_formula.svg.png


... it can be seen that when the real part is zero, that \varphi must be \pi/2 so:

e^{i\pi/2} = \cos{(\pi/2)} + i \sin{(\pi/2)} = i

(since \cos{(\pi/2)}=0 and \sin{(\pi/2)}=1)

e^{-i\pi/2} = -i = 1/i
 
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ohhh my god... that question make me headache almost the time...:)
 
if z is a complex no...Z=X =iY then the magnitude of Z is simply =√ X+iY
 
chwala said:
if z is a complex no...Z=X =iY then the magnitude of Z is simply =√ X+iY
Completely wrong. If Z= X+iY then the magnitude of Z is the non-negative real number
\sqrt{X^2+ Y^2}

\sqrt{X+ iY}
is any of those complex numbers whose square is X+ iY

For example, if z= i= 0+ i(1) then the magnitude of z is |z|= \sqrt{1^2+ 1^2}= \sqrt{2}. But
\sqrt{z}= \sqrt{ i}= \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}+ \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}i
or
\sqrt{z}= \sqrt{i}= \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}- \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}i
 

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