Convergent Lenses: 2-Part Problem and Solution | Focal Point and Image Location

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The discussion revolves around a two-part problem involving convergent lenses, specifically focusing on image formation and object distances related to lens systems. The original poster presents a scenario with a convergent lens and seeks to determine the image location for a second lens based on the first image's position.

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  • Exploratory, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between object and image distances for two lenses in sequence. Some question how to determine the object distance for the second lens based on the image formed by the first lens. Others discuss the implications of their calculations and assumptions regarding distances.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations and attempted to derive the necessary distances for the second lens based on the first lens's output. There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables involved, with no clear consensus reached on the correct approach or final values.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the sign conventions for distances and the implications of the lens arrangement. There is also mention of differing focal lengths and their impact on the calculations, as well as the need for visual aids to clarify the setup.

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Homework Statement



This is a 2 part problem but I figure out the first part. Heres the 1st problem and the solution:
7- Given a convergent lens which has a focal point f. An object is placed at distance p = \frac{4}{3}f to the left of the lens. See the sketch.
Solution: q1 = 4f, and is a real image

8- Now place a convergent lens with a same focal length f at a distance d = f behind the first lens. Determine q2, i.e., the image location measured with respect to the second lens # 2.
I will upload the actual image later.

Given:
p1 = \frac{4}{3}f
q1 = 4f
f1 = f

p2 = ?
q2 = ?
f2 = f

Homework Equations



\frac{1}{f} = \frac{1}{p}+\frac{1}{q}

The Attempt at a Solution



I would show my attempt at the solution but I don't know what is p2. How do I get p2?
 
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The image formed by the first lens is now the object for the second lens. Find out where the image forms with respect to the second lens. Without drawing a picture it looks like p2 is -3f. That is:

|--|------q1/p2

where "|" is a lens and "--" is one distance f. As you can hopefully see, q1/p2 is 4f infront of lens one and 3f behind lens two. So do what you did in part one but with p2=-3f.
 
Thank you!

My work:

3\frac{1}{f}-\frac{1}{-3f} = \frac{3-1}{3f} = \frac{4}{3}f (inverse) = \frac{3}{4}f
 
I have a similar problem here's my work but its wrong cause its not one of the answer choices:

Problem:

Consider the setup of the two-lens system shown in the figure, where the separation of the two lenses is denoted by d = 1.5 a. Their focal lengths are respectively f1 = a and f2 = 2 a. An object is placed at a distance 2 a to the left of lens # 1. Find the location of the final image q2 with respect to lens #2. Take q2 to be positive if it is to the right of lens #2 and negative otherwise.

Formula:

\frac{1}{f} = \frac{1}{p}+\frac{1}{q}

My Work:

p1 = 2a
q1 = ?
f1 = a

p2 = ?
q2 = ?
f2 = 2a

\frac{1}{q1} = \frac{1}{f}-\frac{1}{p} = 2(\frac{1}{a}) - \frac{1}{2a} = \frac{2-1}{2a} = \frac{1}{2a} (inverse) = 2a = q1

\frac{q1}{p2} = q1 = \frac{2a}{p2} = 2a \rightarrow \frac{2a x p2}{2a}=\frac{2a}{2a} \rightarrow p2 = 1

\frac{1}{2a}-(\frac{1}{1})2 = \frac{1-2a}{2a} = \frac{a}{2a} = \frac{2a}{a} = 2 = q2

What am I doing wrong?
 

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