2 vectors orthogonal to 3 4-d vectors

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The discussion revolves around finding two unit vectors that are orthogonal to three given 4-dimensional vectors: v1 = <3,1,1,-1>, v2 = <-1,2,2,0>, and v3 = <1,0,2,-1>. Participants are exploring the implications of the orthogonality conditions and the relationships between the components of the vectors.

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  • Participants discuss setting up equations based on the orthogonality conditions, questioning whether using only two of the three vectors is sufficient. There is also exploration of the implications of having four unknowns and only three equations.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the setup of equations and the nature of the relationships between the components of the vectors, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

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Participants note the challenge of having more variables than equations, which is acknowledged as a common scenario in such problems. There is also mention of the possibility of reducing the number of variables to simplify the equations.

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Greetings,
I'm a little stuck on this algebra question

Find 2 unit vectors orthogonal to v1 = <3,1,1,-1>, v2 = <-1,2,2,0> and v3 = <1,0,2,-1>

I know that this means that if I let z be the vector orthogonal to these 3 then,

z.v1 = z.v2= z.v3 = 0

And that my two vectors is likely +/- z.

I can do something like this:

z = <a,b,c,d>

z.v1 = z.v2

3a + b + c -d = -a + 2b + 2c

but now what? Or is this the wrong idea?

Thanks in advance!
 
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This is rather tricky. Hm. If you're only using:
[tex]Z \cdot V1 = Z \cdot V2[/tex]
then you're only solving for a vector that is orthogonal to V1 and V2, means you're excluding V3. So you need to use the third equality as well.

Even so, you have 4 unknowns and 3 equations. Something's amiss.
 
Damascus Road said:
Find 2 unit vectors orthogonal to v1 = <3,1,1,-1>, v2 = <-1,2,2,0> and v3 = <1,0,2,-1>

I know that this means that if I let z be the vector orthogonal to these 3 then,

z.v1 = z.v2= z.v3 = 0

And that my two vectors is likely +/- z.

z.v1 = z.v2

3a + b + c -d = -a + 2b + 2c

Greetings Damascus Road! :smile:

Yes, z.v1 = z.v2= z.v3 = 0 …

so your last line should be 3a + b + c -d = -a + 2b + 2c = 0 (= a + 2c - d) … three equations in four variables (which is ok, since you only need the ratios :wink:)
 
Thanks for the replies!

I'm confused about the ratios however. Can I set the individual components equal?
3a = a = -a?
 
Damascus Road said:
Thanks for the replies!

I'm confused about the ratios however. Can I set the individual components equal?
3a = a = -a?

Nooo … these are three separate linear equations …

if it makes you happier, you can reduce the number of variables to 3 (a/d b/d and c/d) by rewriting the equations as 3a/d + b/d + c/d = 1 etc. :wink:
 

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