2016 seems long to me (Leap second)

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The discussion revolves around the concept of leap seconds, particularly focusing on the implications of adding a leap second to the year 2016. Participants explore the relationship between atomic time (UTC) and the Earth's rotation, as well as the impact of leap seconds on various technologies, including GPS and NASA missions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that 2016 will have a leap second added, which is a correction to NIST atomic clock time due to the Earth's slowing rotation.
  • Another participant questions the significance of leap seconds for GPS, suggesting that they assumed GPS would account for such time discrepancies.
  • A participant clarifies that GPS does account for relativity and that its timing relies on the precise synchronization of satellite clocks and signal delay, rather than leap seconds.
  • Links to external resources are provided, including a NIST source file for programming leap seconds and articles discussing GPS timekeeping.
  • Another participant mentions that NASA missions, including the Solar Dynamics Observatory, will also need to adjust for the leap second.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the implications of leap seconds, particularly in relation to GPS technology. There is no consensus on the necessity or impact of leap seconds in practical applications, indicating ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge the complexity of timekeeping systems and the various corrections involved, such as atmospheric refraction adjustments in GPS. However, the discussion does not resolve the nuances of how leap seconds interact with these systems.

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Now I know why: http://phys.org/news/2016-12-extra_1.html
We are getting a leap second! 2016 really is too long. :cry: If you are an astronomer or programmer you know about these corrections to NIST atomic clock time (UTC). The Earth's period of rotation is not constant over long periods. Very slightly, Earth slowing down.

Programming:
The POSIX standards (for UNIX) do not require tracking leap seconds. But some OS developers have decided to keep track of them - Linux for example. GPS does not deal with them.

Here is a discussion:
https://www.wired.com/2015/01/torvalds_leapsecond/
 
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jim mcnamara said:
GPS does not deal with them.
Interesting, I would have assumed one second would be fairly crucial, I thought GPS even took time dilation into account. Am I missing something here. ?
 
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Oops - the second will be added to 2017, my apologies.

NIST source file for programming - leap seconds: https://github.com/eggert/tz/blob/master/leap-seconds.list

@1oldman2 - yes, gps does care about relativity. GPS depends solely on the duration (delay) of the signal until reception time. So all that matters in terms of elapsed time is that: Every satellite is on the same time precisely, and the ephemeris portrays the exact sub-satellite point Then corrections like WASD, are applied to correct for atmospheric refraction. GPS uses its own time standard, which can be converted to UTC.

There is a LOT to this that I blithely ignored. Links:
Math: http://www.maa.org/sites/default/files/pdf/cms_upload/Thompson07734.pdf
Overview: http://www.oc.nps.edu/oc2902w/gps/timsys.html
 
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jim mcnamara said:
@1oldman2 - yes, gps does care about relativity. GPS depends solely on the duration (delay) of the signal until reception time. So all that matters in terms of elapsed time is that: Every satellite is on the same time precisely, and the ephemeris portrays the exact sub-satellite point Then corrections like WASD, are applied to correct for atmospheric refraction. GPS uses its own time standard, which can be converted to UTC.
Thanks, sometimes this entire site could be titled "T.I.L." :smile:
 
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https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddar...ng-nasas-sdo-adds-leap-second-to-master-clock
On Dec. 31, 2016, official clocks around the world will add a leap second just before midnight Coordinated Universal Time - which corresponds to 6:59:59 p.m. EST. NASA missions will also have to make the switch, including the Solar Dynamics Observatory, or SDO, which watches the sun 24/7.

Clocks do this to keep in sync with Earth's rotation, which gradually slows down over time. When the dinosaurs roamed Earth, for example, our globe took only 23 hours to make a complete rotation. In space, millisecond accuracy is crucial to understanding how satellites orbit.
 

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