205.8.9 Find the derivative of the function

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function \( y = \cos(\tan(5t-4)) \). Participants explore the application of the chain rule and share their approaches to the differentiation process, including the use of substitutions.

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  • One participant outlines the differentiation process using the chain rule, introducing \( u = \tan(5t-4) \) and deriving the expression for the derivative as \( -5\sec^2(5t-4)\sin(\tan(5t-4)) \).
  • Another participant confirms the derivative with a similar expression, indicating agreement on the result and providing a checkmark for clarity.
  • A third participant expresses a preference for forum discussions over online calculators, noting the complexity of their previous attempts to derive the function.
  • A later reply reiterates the differentiation steps and suggests further substitutions, introducing \( v = 5t - 4 \) to clarify the chain rule application, but does not resolve any confusion regarding the u-substitution process.

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Participants generally agree on the derivative's form, but there is some confusion regarding the u-substitution process, which remains unresolved.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the clarity of the u-substitution method and the steps involved in applying the chain rule, indicating that further elaboration may be needed.

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205.8.9 Find the derivative of the function
$y=\cos(\tan(5t-4))\\$
chain rule $u=\tan(5t-4)$
$\frac{d}{du}\cos{(u)} \frac{d}{dt}\tan{\left(5t-4\right)}\\$
then
$-\sin{\left (u \right )}\cdot 5 \sec^{2}{\left (5 t - 4 \right )}\\$
replacing u with $\tan(5t-4)$
$-\sin{(\tan(5t-4))}\cdot 5 \sec^{2}{(5t-4)}\\$
$W\vert A$ returns

$-5\sec^2(5t-4)\sin(\tan(5t-4))$

ok I got confused on this u substitution thing but still seems to match the $W\vert A$ return
 
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I would write:

$$y'=-\sin\left(\tan(5t-4)\right)\sec^2(5t-4)(5)=-5\sec^2(5t-4)\sin\left(\tan(5t-4)\right)\quad\checkmark$$
 
Cool

I formerly ran this through eHm
but like 27 steps...

I really question these "show steps"
on online calculators ..
Forums much better
 
karush said:
205.8.9 Find the derivative of the function
$y=\cos(\tan(5t-4))\\$
chain rule $u=\tan(5t-4)$
$\frac{d}{du}\cos{(u)} \frac{d}{dt}\tan{\left(5t-4\right)}\\$
then
$-\sin{\left (u \right )}\cdot 5 \sec^{2}{\left (5 t - 4 \right )}\\$
replacing u with $\tan(5t-4)$
$-\sin{(\tan(5t-4))}\cdot 5 \sec^{2}{(5t-4)}\\$
$W\vert A$ returns

$-5\sec^2(5t-4)\sin(\tan(5t-4))$

ok I got confused on this u substitution thing but still seems to match the $W\vert A$ return
It is a good idea to explictely write u= tan(5t-4) so that y= cos(u). I would go a step further and write v= 5t- 4 so that u= tan(v). Then the chain rule says that dy/dx= (dy/du)(du/dx)= (dy/du)(du/dv)(dv/dx)= (-sin(u))(sec^2(v))(5)= (-sin(tan(5t-4)))(sec^2(5t-4))(5).
 

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