206.11.3.27 Tayor series 3 terms

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The discussion revolves around finding the first four nonzero terms of the Taylor series for the function \( f(x) = 6^x \) at the point \( a = 1 \). Participants explore the derivation of the series, including the calculation of derivatives and their evaluations at the point of expansion.

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Main Points Raised

  • Multiple participants present their calculations for the Taylor series, with variations in the coefficients for the second and third derivatives. Some use \( \ln(6)^2 \) and \( \ln(6)^3 \) while others use \( 2 \ln(6) \) and \( 3 \ln(6) \).
  • One participant, Dan, points out a potential misunderstanding regarding the coefficients, clarifying that \( \ln(6)^2 \) is not equal to \( 2 \ln(6) \) and suggests that all coefficients will be of the form \( 6 \cdot (\ln(6))^n \).
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about their calculations, indicating difficulty in identifying errors in their work.
  • There are repeated attempts to confirm the correctness of the Taylor series expansion, with some participants expressing hope that their latest attempts are accurate.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct coefficients for the Taylor series terms, leading to multiple competing views and unresolved discrepancies in the calculations.

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Some calculations appear to depend on the interpretation of logarithmic identities, which may affect the accuracy of the coefficients derived for the Taylor series. The discussion reflects ongoing refinement of these mathematical expressions.

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$\textsf{a. Find the first four nonzero terms
of the Taylor series $a=1$}$
\begin{align}
\displaystyle
f^0(x)&=6^{x} &\therefore \ \ f^0(a)&= 6 \\
f^1(x)&=6^{x}\ln(6) &\therefore \ \ f^1(a)&= 6\ln(6) \\
f^2(x)&={6^{x}\ln(6)^2} &\therefore \ \ f^2(a)&= {12\ln(6)} \\
f^3(x)&={6^{x}\ln(6)^3} &\therefore \ \ f^3(a)&= {18\ln(6)} \\
\end{align}
$\textsf{so then}$
\begin{align}
\displaystyle
f\left(x\right)&\approx\frac{6}{0!}(x-1)^{0}
+\frac{6ln(6)}{1!}(x-1)^{1}
+\frac{12\ln(6)}{2!}(x-1)^{2}
+\frac{18\ln(6)}{3!}(x-1)^{3} \\
f\left(x\right)&\approx
6+6ln(6)(x-1)+6\ln(6)(x-1)^{2}+3\ln(6)(x-1)^{3}
\end{align}

$\textit{suggestions?}$
☕
 
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karush said:
$\textsf{a. Find the first four nonzero terms
of the Taylor series $a=1$}$
\begin{align}
\displaystyle
f^0(x)&=6^{x} &\therefore \ \ f^0(a)&= 6 \\
f^1(x)&=6^{x}\ln(6) &\therefore \ \ f^1(a)&= 6\ln(6) \\
f^2(x)&={6^{x}\ln(6)^2} &\therefore \ \ f^2(a)&= {12\ln(6)} \\
f^3(x)&={6^{x}\ln(6)^3} &\therefore \ \ f^3(a)&= {18\ln(6)} \\
\end{align}
$\textsf{so then}$
\begin{align}
\displaystyle
f\left(x\right)&\approx\frac{6}{0!}(x-1)^{0}
+\frac{6ln(6)}{1!}(x-1)^{1}
+\frac{12\ln(6)}{2!}(x-1)^{2}
+\frac{18\ln(6)}{3!}(x-1)^{3} \\
f\left(x\right)&\approx
6+6ln(6)(x-1)+6\ln(6)(x-1)^{2}+3\ln(6)(x-1)^{3}
\end{align}

$\textit{suggestions?}$
☕
Note that f^{(2)} (x) = 6^x \cdot (ln(6))^2, so f^{(2)}(1) = 6 \cdot (ln(6))^2. All of your coefficients will be of the form f^{(6)} (1) = 6 \cdot (ln(6))^n.

-Dan

Addendum: I think I see what's happened here. (ln(6))^2 \neq 2 \cdot ln(6). You are thinking of ln \left ( 6^2 \right ). They are not the same.
 
$\textsf{a. Find the first four nonzero terms
of the Taylor series $a=1$}$
\begin{align}
\displaystyle
f^0(x)&=6^{x} &\therefore \ \ f^0(a)&= 6 \\
f^1(x)&=6^{x}\ln(6) &\therefore \ \ f^1(a)&= 6\ln(6) \\
f^2(x)&={6^{x}\ln^2(6)} &\therefore \ \ f^2(a)&= {6 \ln^2(6)} \\
f^3(x)&={6^{x}\ln^3(6)} &\therefore \ \ f^3(a)&= {6 \ln^3(6)} \\
\end{align}
$\textsf{so then}$
\begin{align}
\displaystyle
f\left(x\right)&\approx\frac{6}{0!}(x-1)^{0}
+\frac{6ln(6)}{1!}(x-1)^{1}
+\frac{6\ln^2(6)}{2!}(x-1)^{2}
+\frac{6\ln^3 (6)}{3!}(x-1)^{3} \\
f\left(x\right)&\approx
6+6ln(6)(x-1)+3\ln^2 (6)(x-1)^{2}+\ln^3 (6)(x-1)^{3}
\end{align}
$\textit{hope this is it ... so hard to see errors}$
 
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karush said:
$\textsf{a. Find the first four nonzero terms
of the Taylor series $a=1$}$
\begin{align}
\displaystyle
f^0(x)&=6^{x} &\therefore \ \ f^0(a)&= 6 \\
f^1(x)&=6^{x}\ln(6) &\therefore \ \ f^1(a)&= 6\ln(6) \\
f^2(x)&={6^{x}\ln^2(6)} &\therefore \ \ f^2(a)&= {6 \ln^2(6)} \\
f^3(x)&={6^{x}\ln^3(6)} &\therefore \ \ f^3(a)&= {6 \ln^3(6)} \\
\end{align}
$\textsf{so then}$
\begin{align}
\displaystyle
f\left(x\right)&\approx\frac{6}{0!}(x-1)^{0}
+\frac{6ln(6)}{1!}(x-1)^{1}
+\frac{6\ln^2(6)}{2!}(x-1)^{2}
+\frac{6\ln^3 (6)}{3!}(x-1)^{3} \\
f\left(x\right)&\approx
6+6ln(6)(x-1)+3\ln^2 (6)(x-1)^{2}+\ln^3 (6)(x-1)^{3}
\end{align}
$\textit{hope this is it ... so hard to see errors}$
Yup! And, of course, you can verify it to a degree...pick some x's close to 1 and compare the function with the approximation. They should be reasonably close.

-Dan
 
I'll try two more_ already getting burnt on em...(Doh)
 

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