21 Things We're Learning to Live Without

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The discussion revolves around the changing economic landscape and its impact on personal spending habits and lifestyle choices. Participants share their experiences and strategies for managing finances, particularly in light of economic pressures. The conversation touches on frugality, prioritization of needs, and the sacrifices individuals are making or considering in their daily lives.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express that they are reevaluating their spending and cutting back on non-essential items due to economic pressures.
  • One participant mentions suspending plans for new camera equipment and travel due to financial uncertainty.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of the 21 items listed in the article, suggesting that some people may have overestimated their financial situations.
  • A participant shares a detailed account of their frugal lifestyle, emphasizing practices like gardening, cooking from scratch, and minimizing debt, which they have followed for years regardless of economic conditions.
  • One participant discusses energy-saving measures, such as lowering thermostat settings and reducing grocery trips, as part of their cost-saving strategies.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of living within one's means and avoiding debt, advocating for cash purchases over credit.
  • Some participants humorously mention personal relationships as a potential area for savings, indicating a light-hearted approach to the topic.

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Participants express a range of views on the necessity and impact of lifestyle changes due to economic conditions. While some agree on the importance of frugality and living within means, others question the motivations behind certain sacrifices. The discussion reflects multiple competing perspectives without a clear consensus.

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Participants' experiences vary significantly based on their individual circumstances, such as income levels, geographic location, and personal values regarding spending and saving. This diversity highlights the complexity of financial decision-making in different economic contexts.

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Readers interested in personal finance, frugality, and lifestyle changes in response to economic challenges may find this discussion relevant.

  • #31
I went from buying about 5 jackets a year to 2 or so, although my hooded sweatshirt and flannel shirts have gone up. Although I did save a few dollars by getting the 14k white gold class ring instead of the 14k yellow gold one! We heat our house about 70/30 with wood and a gas furnace, so our gas bill is around 50 bucks a month.

Quite frankly this recession is bollocks.
 
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  • #32
Chi Meson said:
Come on, no one actually said that, did they?
Yes, really.
Chi Meson said:
Are they the same people who play "Powerball" only when the jackpot is really large?
Hey, I resemble that remark. :-p
rewebster said:
I talk to a woman do has defended her 'mortgage deduction' when she could have paid it off (but I imagine a lot of others do think the same).

They get 'sold' on the idea--I think by the mortgage company

I've tried to explain it to her, but she's convinced

I've also had some long conversations with people, trying to get them to understand this. Basic math is not most people's strongpoint. They do get sold on the mortgage deduction thing and some of them look at me like I'm crazy and throwing my money away. Usually they can't seem to wrap their head around saving x dollars per month multiplied by 12 is greater than the tax benefit - they only see the loss of X dollars when they do their taxes.

The other thing that trips them up is the true return on the deduction. They just see a (hypothetical) $12,000 mortgage deduction and don't equate that with the fact that the actual taxes that they pay only goes down by $3000 if they're in a 25% bracket. Some of the smarter ones have countered at this point that their deduction may be keeping them out of a higher tax bracket - which, of course, leads to more explanations. :rolleyes:
 
  • #33
I hate the idea of owing money. I have never had a credit card or taken out a loan in my life. I need to save up for a car right now and I do not know how many times I have had to explain to people that I am not willing to increase my monthly bills by a few hundred dollars or so for the next five plus years just for a car.
 

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