232.15.6.31Find the center of mass

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The discussion revolves around finding the center of mass (centroid) of a solid cylinder defined by specific boundaries, assuming constant density. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and coordinate systems relevant to the problem, while also addressing the geometric properties of the figure.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants clarify that the terms "center of mass" and "centroid" are used interchangeably in this context, although they originate from different fields (physics vs. mathematics).
  • There is a discussion on the correct interpretation of the boundaries of the solid cylinder, specifically the equation $x^2 + y^2 = 196$ and the implications for the radius.
  • One participant suggests using cylindrical coordinates for the integration to find the volume and centroid coordinates, proposing limits for integration.
  • Another participant questions the value of 13 used in the calculations, pointing out that the square root of 196 is actually 14.
  • There is mention of using symmetry to simplify the problem, although specific details on how this would apply are not fully explored.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of terms and the calculations involved. There is no consensus on the correct approach or values used in the calculations, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

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Some assumptions about the geometry and coordinate system are not fully detailed, and there are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the integration limits and the application of symmetry.

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$\tiny{232.15.6.31}$
$\textsf{Find the center of mass of the following solid,
assuming a constant density.}$
$\textsf{Sketch the region indicate the location of the centriods}$
$\textsf{Use symetry when possible and choose a convient }$
$\textsf{coordinate system the sliced solid cylinder bounded}$
$\textsf{by $x^2 +y^2=196$, $z=0$ and $y+z=1$}$

ok I won't deal with this till morning
but if suggestions 😃😃😃
never done mass before
 
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First, the "center of mass assuming constant density" is the "centroid" of a figure. "Centroid" is a mathematics term while "center of mass" is a physics term. Second, your use of the plural "centroids" is peculiar. A geometric figure only has one centroid.

Given a three dimensional object, S, the volume is [math]V= \int\int_S\int dV[/math]. The coordinates of the centroid are then [math]\overline{x}= \frac{\int\int_S\int xdV}{V}[/math], [math]\overline{y}= \frac{\int\int_S\int ydV}{V}[/math], and [math]\overline{z}= \frac{\int\int_S\int zdV}{V}[/math]. Since the figure here is a cylinder I would use cylindrical coordinates, r, [math]\theta[/math], and z. To find V, integrate dV with r from 0 to 13, [math]\theta[/math] from 0 to [math]2\pi[/math] and z from 0 to [math]1- y= 1- r sin(\theta)[/math].
 
$\tiny{232.15.6.31}$
$\textsf{Find the center of mass of the following solid,
assuming a constant density.}\\
\textsf{a. Sketch the region indicate the location of the centriod}\\
\textsf{b. Use symmetry when possible}\\
\textsf{choose a convenient coordinate system
the sliced solid cylinder bounded by}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
x^2 +y^2&=196\\
z&=0\\
y+z&=1
\end{align*}

ok the radius of the circle was $7$
and presume the slant is $45^o$ so
centroid is $0,0,?$View attachment 7351
 
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HallsofIvy said:
First, the "center of mass assuming constant density" is the "centroid" of a figure. "Centroid" is a mathematics term while "center of mass" is a physics term. Second, your use of the plural "centroids" is peculiar. A geometric figure only has one centroid.

Given a three dimensional object, S, the volume is [math]V= \int\int_S\int dV[/math]. The coordinates of the centroid are then [math]\overline{x}= \frac{\int\int_S\int xdV}{V}[/math], [math]\overline{y}= \frac{\int\int_S\int ydV}{V}[/math], and [math]\overline{z}= \frac{\int\int_S\int zdV}{V}[/math]. Since the figure here is a cylinder I would use cylindrical coordinates, r, [math]\theta[/math], and z. To find V, integrate dV with r from 0 to 13, [math]\theta[/math] from 0 to [math]2\pi[/math] and z from 0 to [math]1- y= 1- r sin(\theta)[/math].

where do you get $13$ the $\sqrt{196}=14$ ?
 
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karush said:
where do you get $13$ the $\sqrt{196}=14$ ?
My eyes are going wonky: 13 is the square root of 169.
 

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