232.5a Evaluate the double integral

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The discussion focuses on evaluating the double integral \( I_a = \iint\limits_{R} xy\sqrt{x^2+y^2} \, dA \) over the region \( R = [0,2] \times [-1,1] \). Participants explore the interchangeability of variables \( x \) and \( y \) and suggest using the substitution \( x = y\tan\theta \) to simplify the integral. A key insight involves evaluating single integrals by fixing \( x \) at specific values (e.g., \( x = 2 \) and \( x = 1 \)) to observe patterns in the results, referred to as the "eyeball problem."

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$\tiny{232.5a}\\
\textsf{Evaluate the double integral}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
I_a&=\iint\limits_{R} xy\sqrt{x^2+y^2} \, dA \\
R&=[0,2]\times[-1,1]
\end{align*}
Ok, just want to see if I made the first step correct.
this looks like simply a rectangle so x and y are basically interchangeable
\begin{align*}
&=\int_{-1}^{1} \int_{0}^{2} xy\sqrt{x^2+y^2} \,dx \,dy
\end{align*}
however the next step looks kinda daunting:confused:
 
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How about the substitution $x=y\tan\theta$?
 
greg1313 said:
How about the substitution $x=y\tan\theta$?

are you suggesting that

\begin{align*}
&=\int_{-1}^{1} \int_{a}^{b} y^2\tan\theta \, \sqrt{y^2\tan^2\theta+y^2} \,d\theta \,dy
\end{align*}

not sure what a and b would be on the limits
 
karush said:
$\tiny{232.5a}\\
\textsf{Evaluate the double integral}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
I_a&=\iint\limits_{R} xy\sqrt{x^2+y^2} \, dA \\
R&=[0,2]\times[-1,1]
\end{align*}
Ok, just want to see if I made the first step correct.
this looks like simply a rectangle so x and y are basically interchangeable
\begin{align*}
&=\int_{-1}^{1} \int_{0}^{2} xy\sqrt{x^2+y^2} \,dx \,dy
\end{align*}
however the next step looks kinda daunting:confused:

Ummm... No. Do an experiment for me. Take x = 2 and evaluate the single integral. Then, back up and take x = 1 and evaluate the single integral. See if you notice something. This is an eyeball problem.

Definition: "Eyeball Problem" - Just look at it and call out the answer before your neighbor beats you to it.
 
that is giving me a headache

I presume you mean separate x and y
 
karush said:
that is giving me a headache

I presume you mean separate x and y

No, I mean just pick x = 2 and then ignore that x exists and ignore the inner integral.

$\int\limits_{-1}^{1}2y\sqrt{4+y^2}\;dy$

What do you get?

Now, x = 1.

$\int\limits_{-1}^{1}y\sqrt{1+y^2}\;dy$

What do you get?
 
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