2D Kinematics Problem dealing with acceleration

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a 2D kinematics scenario where an airplane is turning horizontally, with given final velocity and average acceleration. The objective is to determine the initial velocity of the airplane.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the initial, final, and change in velocity as vectors. There are attempts to set up equations based on vector components and to apply trigonometric relationships to find the initial velocity.

Discussion Status

Some participants have proposed methods to relate the vectors involved and are exploring the use of component analysis. There is an ongoing exchange of ideas regarding the setup of equations and the implications of the acceleration direction.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential confusion regarding the definitions of horizontal and vertical components, as well as the need to consider the direction of acceleration in the analysis.

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Homework Statement


" An airplane turns slowly for 9.2s horizontally. The final velocity of the plane is 360km/hr [N]; the average acceleration during the turn is 5.0m/s^2 [W]. What is the initial velocity of the plane?"

Homework Equations


a=ΔV/t



The Attempt at a Solution


at=Δv
(5.0m/s^2[W])(9.2s)=Δv
46m/s[W]=Δv

...then from here I get stuck. I know the horizontal component of the plane at the end (final) is 0 and the vertical component (final) is 360km/hr, but this doesn't help me find any obvious solution.
 
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Element1674 said:
I know the horizontal component of the plane at the end (final) is 0 and the vertical component (final) is 360km/hr, but this doesn't help me find any obvious solution.
I assume you mean EW, NS, not horizontal and vertical.
You have successfully calculated the change in velocity (a vector), and you know the final velocity, another vector. You are trying to find the initial velocity, a third vector. What, as vectors, is the relationship between the three?
 
I think I have it!
ΔV=Vf-Vi
Vf-Δv=Vi

I know the x and y components of each Δv and Vf so I set up 2 separate equations:
Vfx-ΔVx=Vix
(Same idea with y)

Then use Pythagorean with Viy and Vix to find Vi, find the angle using trig, etc?
 
I have an answer I'm hoping to compare with the result of the thread, if any.
 
Element1674 said:
I think I have it!
ΔV=Vf-Vi
Vf-Δv=Vi

I know the x and y components of each Δv and Vf so I set up 2 separate equations:
Vfx-ΔVx=Vix
(Same idea with y)

Then use Pythagorean with Viy and Vix to find Vi, find the angle using trig, etc?

That'll work.
 
Element1674 said:
I think I have it!
ΔV=Vf-Vi
Vf-Δv=Vi

I know the x and y components of each Δv and Vf so I set up 2 separate equations:
Vfx-ΔVx=Vix
(Same idea with y)

Then use Pythagorean with Viy and Vix to find Vi, find the angle using trig, etc?

Any plans for the acceleration a in direction W?
 

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