2D Projective Complex Space, Spin

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of states in quantum mechanics, specifically in the context of qubits and their basis states. It is noted that the difference between +|0> and -|0> becomes relevant when the qubit is in superposition. The conversation also touches upon the importance of relative phases in operations and how they can affect the outcome of experiments. Finally, the conversation raises the question of whether two electrons in the same state can be distinguished after one of them undergoes a phase transformation. It is suggested that this distinction may only be relevant in certain contexts, such as when analyzing a single electron evolving through a system.
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Just reviewing some QM again and I think I'm forgetting something basic. Just consider a qubit with basis {0, 1}. On the one hand I thought 0 and -0 are NOT the same state as demonstrated in interference experiments, but on the other hand the literature seems to say the state space is projective 2D complex Hilbert space and that cS=S for any state S and complex scalar c.
 
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The difference between ##+\left| 0 \right\rangle## and ##-\left| 0 \right\rangle## matters when the qubit is in superposition. For example, ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left| 1 \right\rangle + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left| 0 \right\rangle## is orthogonal to ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left| 1 \right\rangle - \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left| 0 \right\rangle##.

The phase of individual states also matters in the context of operations, where the relative phase with other possible outputs is relevant. A 180 degree rotation around the X axis of the bloch sphere sends ##\left| 0 \right\rangle## to ##\left| 1 \right\rangle## and ##\left| 1 \right\rangle## to ##\left| 0 \right\rangle##. If you instead send ##\left| 1 \right\rangle## to ##-\left| 0 \right\rangle##, you're rotating around the Y axis.

(I used to think that adding a global phase factor to an operation had no effect. This is technically true... until I modified said operation to be controlled by whether or not another qubit was on, so that phase factor only applied in some cases and was suddenly a relative phase factor making my circuit not work.)
 
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msumm21 said:
[...] the literature seems to say the state space is projective 2D complex Hilbert space and that cS=S for any state S and complex scalar c.
Wether a system is in state |a> or in state c|a> is undecideable because the Born rule predicts the same probabilities for both. This is the sense in which the states can be considered to be "the same". This doesn't mean that they are algebraically the same.
 
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So if we take two electrons both in the same state 0 then put one in a uniform magnetic field (oriented orthogonal to the direction of the spin) long enough to rotate the state to -0 (half the time required for full state rotation) there's no subsequent experiment we can do afterwards to determine that this system state is different from the case in which neither was in the magnetic field? Was Strilanc saying that we only make these distinctions when analyzing a single electron evolving through a system e.g. the experiment shown at the start of this:http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs191/fa08/lectures/lecture14_fa08.pdf where the shift to -0 definitely made a difference in that context.
 
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msumm21 said:
So if we take two electrons both in the same state 0 then put one in a uniform magnetic field (oriented orthogonal to the direction of the spin) long enough to rotate the state to -0 (half the time required for full state rotation) there's no subsequent experiment we can do afterwards to determine that this system state is different from the case in which neither was in the magnetic field? Was Strilanc saying that we only make these distinctions when analyzing a single electron evolving through a system e.g. the experiment shown at the start of this:http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs191/fa08/lectures/lecture14_fa08.pdf where the shift to -0 definitely made a difference in that context.

If the electron's path was in superposition, so only one branch went through the magnetic field, then you could tell when recombining the paths (I have no idea if that's easy to do experimentally).

But if you unconditionally apply the phase factor in all possible branches, then no it's not detectable.
 
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1. What is 2D Projective Complex Space?

2D Projective Complex Space, also known as the complex projective line, is a mathematical concept that extends the real projective line to include complex numbers. It is a 2-dimensional space that allows for the representation of points with both real and imaginary coordinates.

2. How is 2D Projective Complex Space related to 2D Euclidean Space?

2D Projective Complex Space is a generalization of 2D Euclidean Space. In 2D Euclidean Space, points are represented using Cartesian coordinates (x, y), whereas in 2D Projective Complex Space, points are represented using homogeneous coordinates [x:y:z]. This allows for the representation of points at infinity and simplifies certain geometric operations.

3. What is the role of spin in 2D Projective Complex Space?

Spin is a mathematical concept that describes the behavior of particles and systems in physics. In 2D Projective Complex Space, spin is used to define transformations that map points in the space to other points. These transformations are important in understanding the symmetries and properties of the space.

4. How is 2D Projective Complex Space used in computer graphics?

2D Projective Complex Space is used in computer graphics to represent 2D images and perform transformations on them. It allows for the efficient representation of points at infinity and simplifies the calculations involved in perspective projections and other geometric operations.

5. What are some applications of 2D Projective Complex Space?

2D Projective Complex Space has various applications in mathematics and physics, including in the study of projective geometry, complex analysis, and quantum mechanics. It is also used in computer graphics, as well as in 2D and 3D computer vision to model and analyze images and objects in space.

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