State Vectors as elements of Hilbert Space

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The discussion revolves around the representation of state vectors in Hilbert space, specifically focusing on the interpretation of wavefunctions in different bases, such as position and momentum eigenbases. Participants explore the implications of expanding wavefunctions and the nature of the set of functions that represent these states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the state vector ##| S\rangle## is represented as a vector in a Hilbert space, with wavefunctions ##\psi(x, t)## and ##\psi(p, t)## corresponding to different bases.
  • Another participant suggests that the wavefunction can be viewed as an expansion of an expansion, indicating a relationship between different bases and their representations.
  • There is a discussion about the meaning of the set of functions ##\{\psi(x)\}##, with some participants questioning whether it refers to a single function or a collection of wavefunctions from different states.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the notation, with suggestions to use labels like ##\{\psi_n(x)\}## to denote a set of functions corresponding to different state vectors.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the nature of the set of functions and the implications of labeling them, particularly in relation to the coefficients of state vectors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the representation of state vectors in Hilbert space but express differing views on the interpretation of wavefunctions and the nature of the set of functions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact characterization of these sets and their elements.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of definitions and the assumptions underlying the representations discussed. The nature of the set of functions and their relationship to the state vectors is not fully resolved.

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The state, ##| S\rangle##, say, of a system is represented as a vector in a Hilbert space.

##\psi (x, t)## is the representation of the state vector in the position eigenbasis; ##\psi (p, t)## in the momentum eigenbasis et cetera. That is, ##\psi (x, t) = \langle x|S\rangle##; ##\psi (p, t) = \langle p|S\rangle##.

Now, suppose i expand ##\psi(x,t)## as ##\psi(x,t) = \sum_{n=0}^\infty a_n \cos(\frac{n\pi x} {L})##.
Similarly for ##\psi (p, t)##.
[Assuming Dirichlet conditions hold, ##a\leq x\leq b## etc]

I can now interpret this as: ##\psi(x, t)## is an element of a Hilbert space, with the ##\cos(\frac{n\pi x} {L})##'s as basis. [The ##\cos(\frac{n\pi p} {L'})##'s as basis for ##\psi (p, t)##].

How do i reconcile these two interpretations? ##\psi (x, t)## as the coefficient in the expansion of ##| S\rangle## in the ##|x\rangle## eigenbasis as opposed to an element of a Hilbert space expanded in the ##\cos(\frac{n\pi x} {L})## basis with coefficients ##a_n##.

Should i look upon it as an expansion of an expansion (whatever that means)? Please help!
 
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It is an expansion of an expansion.
The actual vector in the Hilbert space is $$|S\rangle = \int dx |x\rangle \langle x|S\rangle = \int dx \psi(x) |x\rangle.$$ (I leave out the time for simplicity.)
Now if I have another basis ##|n\rangle##, I can insert the identity again in that expression.
$$ \int dx \sum_n \langle x|n\rangle \langle n|S\rangle |x\rangle$$
In your case, ##\langle x|n\rangle = \cos (\frac{n \pi x}{L})## and
$$\langle n|S \rangle = \int dx \langle n|x\rangle \langle x|S \rangle = \int dx \cos (\frac{n \pi x}{L}) \psi (x) = a_n.$$

From Ballentine section 4.1
It is a matter of taste whether one says that the set of functions ##[\{\psi(x)\}]## forms a representation of the vector space, or that the vector space consists of the functions ##\{\psi(x)\}##.
This is like in relativity where people sometimes call a set of coefficients themselves a vector (or a tensor). But pedantically speaking, it is ##|S\rangle## that is an element of the Hilbert space.
 
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Thanks for the reply. That helped me get a handle on the problem.
One question, what 'set' of functions are we talking about? ##\{\psi(x)\}## is one function, defined by the coefficients at each value of the variable x, right?
 
You're welcome. I think by ##\{\psi(x)\}## (as opposed to just ##\psi(x)##) Ballentine means a set of wavefunctions, each coming from a different ##|\psi\rangle##. Does that make sense?

EDIT: I looked at Ballentine again and realize he doesn't use the notation for set, but he does say that ##\psi(x)## is a function and "the vector space consists of the functions ##\psi(x)##." So I guess I put in the set notation automatically without thinking because that's how I interpret it.
 
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Yes, i think that is what he means. But, what is that set of functions exactly? What are its elements?

##\psi (x)## is simple the set of ordered pairs {##(x_1, \psi (x_1)), (x_2, \psi (x_2)), ... ##} [x is a continuous variable, so i can't really write it like this. But, just to get the point across.]

So, the thing I'm not being able to comprehend is the nature of the set {##\psi (x)##} as there's just 1 function, ##\psi (x)##!
 
To make the notation clear, there should be an additional label like this: ##\{\psi_n(x)\}##.
 
But, what would that indicate? What is ##\{\psi_1(x)\}## for example? The coefficient of the ##|x_1\rangle## in the expansion of ##|S\rangle##? But, that is just a number!
 
By ##\{\psi_n(x)\}##, I mean ##\{\psi_n(x) = \langle x|\psi_n\rangle|n=1,2,\dots,N\}## or something like that, with ##|\psi_1\rangle, |\psi_2\rangle,\dots## (Edit: or ##|S_1\rangle, |S_2\rangle,\dots##) being vectors in the Hilbert space (and each ##\psi_n(x)## is a function with different values at different ##x##, as you understand).
 
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I think i'll have to mull it over a bit more. Will post when i have a clearer picture of this. Thanks for patiently answering my questions! :)
 

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