2nd order differential equations with constant coeff. The Particular integrals.

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The discussion revolves around the determination of particular integrals (PIs) for second-order differential equations with constant coefficients, specifically addressing cases where the roots of the auxiliary equation are zero or repeated. Participants explore the reasoning behind the forms of PIs used in various scenarios, including trigonometric and exponential functions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that for the differential equation with a root of '0', the particular integral should be of the form x(A sin x + B cos x), questioning if there is a formal proof for this assertion.
  • Another participant argues that A sin x + B cos x suffices without the additional factor of x unless there is a double root, suggesting substitution as a method to verify this.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding and seeks clarification on why a particular integral should take the form x(A cos(ax) + B sin(ax)) when 'a' is a root, or xe^(ax) for a single root, and x^2e^(ax) for a double root.
  • One participant references a rule for choosing the polynomial in the method of undetermined coefficients, noting that the form of the particular solution depends on the multiplicity of the root in the characteristic equation.
  • Another participant suggests that proving these forms involves substituting into the differential equation and using induction, although they express concern about the complexity of the derivatives involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of additional factors in the forms of particular integrals based on the roots of the auxiliary equation. There is no consensus on a formal proof for the rules discussed, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the justification of these forms.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific cases and rules without providing formal proofs, indicating a reliance on substitution and induction methods that may not be universally accepted or proven. The complexity of derivatives in the context of these proofs is also noted.

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For the differential equation

[tex]\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}+4 \frac{dy}{dx}=sinx[/tex]


One root of the auxiliary equation is '0' meaning the particular integral for the right hand side is x(Asinx+Bcosx). But is there any formal proof for making this claim that for 0 as one root is it is x(Asinx+Bcosx) or 0 were the two roots, the PI would be x^2(Asinx+Bcosx)?
 
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It seems to me that [itex]A \sin x + B \cos x[/itex] will work just fine. You only need the additional factor of [itex]x[/itex] if you have a double root.

To see why it works, simply substitute [itex]y = A \sin x + B \cos x[/itex] into your equation. You should end up with

[tex]f(A,B) \sin x + g(A,B) \cos x = \sin x[/tex]

To get both sides to be equal for all x, you need to solve two equations in the two unknowns, A and B.
 
Ah dumb me I was thinking of the wrong example and made the wrong statement.

But what I really wanted to know is if there is any proof for why a PI should be

x(Acosax+Bsinax) when 'a' is one or both roots of the auxiliary equation (RHS=sine or cosine)
or xe^ax for 'a' as one root and x^2e^ax for 'a' as both roots (RHS=some exp. function)

New example:

[tex]\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}+4 \frac{dy}{dx}+4y=6e^{-2x}[/tex]


For this example: The PI is of the form [itex]Ax^2e^{-2x}[/itex], but how did we know that we needed to multiply by [itex]x^2[/itex]?
 
There's a rule for the choice of polynomial used in the method of undetermined coefficients. I quote this from my notes:

Suppose [itex]r(x)=P_m(x)e^{\mu x}[/itex] is the RHS of the 2nd order linear ODE of polynomial degree m, then the DE has a particular solution of the following form:
[tex]y= x^k Q_m (x) e^{\mu x}[/tex]
where Qm(x) is an undetermined polynomail with degree m, k is the multiplicity of the root [itex]\mu[/itex] in the characteristic/auxiliary equation [itex]\lambda^2 + a\lambda + b = 0[/itex]. If [itex]\mu[/itex] is not a root of the equation, then k=0.

Unfortunately I don't know how to prove that the above rule would always work.
 
Defennder:

To prove these things, all you need to do is plug the formula in and take the derivatives. Then use induction to prove it for all orders of linear, constant-coefficient ODEs.
 
Differentiating the above twice gives me a very complicated and tedious expression to work with. Ouch.
 

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