3 body relativistic phase space

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The discussion revolves around the integrated relativistic phase space for three-body interactions involving particles of equal mass. Participants explore the existence of explicit or approximate formulas for calculating this phase space, particularly in the context of particle decay processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about an explicit formula for the integrated three-body relativistic phase space for three particles of the same mass.
  • Another participant references a specific decay process (K+ to pi+ pi+ pi-) and points to a resource that discusses kinematics equations and differential cross sections.
  • A participant expresses the need for the total cross section, indicating that they have only performed numerical integration for the three-body case.
  • Discussion includes a claim about the total probability of decay being related to the branching ratio for the decay mode.
  • One participant presents a formula for the integrated three-body phase space, suggesting that numerical integration may be necessary for its evaluation.
  • A later post shifts the focus to a request for the integrated four-body phase space, indicating a need for a similar formula for four outgoing particles of equal mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence of an explicit formula for the integrated three-body phase space, and multiple viewpoints regarding the calculation methods and specific decay processes are presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the total cross section and the transition to four-body phase space.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential complexity of integrating the presented formula and the dependence on specific decay processes and branching ratios. The discussion does not clarify the assumptions underlying the presented formulas.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to researchers and students in particle physics, particularly those studying decay processes and phase space calculations in relativistic contexts.

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Hi,
Do you know if there is an explicit formula for the integrated 3 body relativistic phase space of 3 particle with the same mass? I.e. M->3m
Or an approximate one?
Thank you!
 
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There is only the differential cross section... I need the total cross section i.e. the integral of your formula. In the case of 3 massive body I think I can't integrate it. I did only the numerical integration...
 
In the case of a K+ --> pi+ pi+ pi-, I think the total probability of the decay is the probability of decaying between point 1 and point 2, times the branching ratio for this decay mode (~21.5%).
 
I didn't understand what is point 1 and point 2...
Anyhow I found the formula for the integrated 3 body phase space:
[tex]\Phi= \frac{1}{\pi^3 2^7 M^2} \int_{s_2}^{s_3}{\frac{d s}{s} \sqrt{(s-s_1)(s-s_2)(s_3-s)(s_4-s)}},[/tex]
Where M is the mass of the initial state and [tex]s_1=(m_1-m_2)^2, \quad s_2=(m_1+m_2)^2, \quad s_3=(M-m_3)^2, \quad s_1=(M+m_3)^2[/tex].
I think you can do this integral only numerical...
 
http://www.google.com"
 
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thanks a lot! ...
 
Help! Four body relativistic phase space

Hello everybody!

I urgently need the value of the integrated four body phase space, whereby the four outgoing particles all have equal mass m.
So I need the analogon of the formula for Phi which "Final" posted, but this time for four outgoing particles...

Thanks a lot,

Basti
 

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