3D Cartestian Coordinate Vector Problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the motion of a football represented in a 3D Cartesian coordinate system. The trajectory equations for the ball's position in terms of time are provided, and the original poster is attempting to determine the velocity of the ball just before it hits the ground.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to differentiate the position equations to find the velocity components. They express uncertainty about the approach due to the problem's format and mention that they have not covered this in their lectures. Other participants question the relationship between position and velocity and seek clarification on the original poster's understanding of the concepts involved.

Discussion Status

Participants have acknowledged the original poster's approach as reasonable and have provided some guidance regarding the constancy of the velocity components in the absence of forces acting in the x and y directions. There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts of position and velocity, with no explicit consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

The original poster indicates that they are working within the constraints of their current coursework and have not yet covered certain concepts in their lectures, which may affect their confidence in solving the problem.

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EDIT: There was an issue where half of the post was missing, so I apologise but i have redone it

I was not sure if this was the most appropriate forum for this or not, so feel free to move if needed.

1. Homework Statement

A football (soccer ball) with a diametre of 0.44m is tracked using a motion tracking camera system and is found to have a trajectory of

[itex]x=(-2.5+5t)m \\<br /> y=(2+3t)m \\<br /> z=(0.5 +2t-5t^2)m[/itex]

There are a few parts to the question and the part before the one I am stuck on asked to find the time when the centre of the ball touches the ground, so what I did was set z=0.22 and solved for t using quadratic formula which produced the answer 0.513 s which I am happy with. The next part asks:

What is the velocity immediately before it hits the ground?

Homework Equations



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The Attempt at a Solution


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It is this bit which I am a bit stuck on, mainly because the way the question is set out is different to any similar kind of problems I have done previously. The only thing I can think of is differentiating each of those equations for the x, y and z components to get the x,y and z components of the velocity but that would only leave the z component as a function of time, I suppose that doesn't matter, but its the only thing I can think of, even though we have not covered this in the first two lectures we have had of this module.

Does this make sense?

[itex] \frac{dx}{dt} = v_x = 5 \\<br /> \frac{dy}{dt} = v_y = 3 \\<br /> \frac{dz}{dt} = v_z = 2-10t \\[/itex]

And then @ t=0.513
[itex] v_z = 2 - 10(0.513)=-3.13 \\<br /> \, \\<br /> \therefore \vec{v}= (5 \hat{i} + 3 \hat{j} - 3.13 \hat{k} ) m/s \\<br /> \therefore |\vec{v}|=\sqrt{5^2+3^2+3.13^2} = 6.62 m/s<br /> [/itex]
Any help is really appreciated.

Thanks :)
 
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You know the time it hits. What is the relationship between position and velocity? How does it look at an arbitrary time?
 
Orodruin said:
You know the time it hits. What is the relationship between position and velocity? How does it look at an arbitrary time?
Yes I do know the time it hits (as long as I worked it out correctly, but for the sake of argument let's say that I did). Velocity is the derivative of postiion with respect to time?? What do you mean by how does it look at an arbitrary time?

EDIT: I just realized maybe you only say the post when half of it was missing? Something happened when I first posted it and half of the post got deleted, but its back there now. If not and you saw it as you see it now then I apologise.
 
Yes, I posted before your edit of the OP. Your approach looks reasonable. Without a force acting in the x and y directions, the velocity components in those directions will not change.
 
Orodruin said:
Yes, I posted before your edit of the OP. Your approach looks reasonable. Without a force acting in the x and y directions, the velocity components in those directions will not change.
Ah right ok, thanks for taking a look :)
 

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