3D isotropic harmonic oscillator vs. diatomic molecule

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The discussion revolves around the comparison of the Hamiltonian for a diatomic molecule and a 3D isotropic harmonic oscillator, particularly focusing on the implications for calculating heat capacity. Participants explore the differences in degrees of freedom and potential energy terms in these systems.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a Hamiltonian for a diatomic molecule and expresses confusion over obtaining a heat capacity of C = 9/2 kT instead of the expected 7/2 kT, attributing the issue to potential energy terms.
  • Another participant suggests that the error lies in not accounting for the equilibrium distance, proposing that the correct form should be R = |r1 - r2| - r0, where r1 and r2 are the positions of the particles.
  • There is a challenge regarding the textbooks' accuracy in presenting the Hamiltonian, with one participant questioning how many textbooks have been checked for consistency.
  • Discussion includes the degrees of freedom associated with translational motion of the center of mass and the harmonic motion around the equilibrium distance, leading to a total of 7/2 kT for heat capacity.
  • Another participant raises the concern that the r0 term may couple rotational and vibrational degrees of freedom, suggesting that this dependence is not purely quadratic.
  • A reference is made to the Born-Oppenheimer approximation, indicating that the Hamiltonian can be justified as a zeroth order term in a specific mass ratio development.
  • A participant inquires about the existence of an exact solution for the rotating oscillator, to which another participant responds that no exact solution is known.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct Hamiltonian and its implications for heat capacity calculations. There is no consensus on the accuracy of textbook representations or the treatment of degrees of freedom in the diatomic molecule versus the isotropic oscillator.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the assumptions regarding the potential energy terms and the coupling of degrees of freedom, as well as the dependence on specific definitions and conditions in the Hamiltonian formulation.

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The Hamiltonian of the diatomic molecule is given by H = p1^2 / 2m + p2^2 / 2m + 1/2 k R^2, where R equals the distance between atoms. Using this result, given in standard texbooks, I keep geting C = 9/2 kT instead of 7/2 kT for heat capacity. I've traced down my problem to the potential energy term. I seem to be calculating as if I have a 3D isotropic oscillator instead of two point particles connected by a spring. It appears as these two systems have the same Hamiltonian, but that surely can't be so. My question is, what's the right Hamiltonian for a given system and how to see that these two systems have different degrees of freedom?

Thanks!
 
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Basically, your error consists in writing R instead of R-R_0 with R_0 being the equilibrium distance of the molecule. Hence there is no longer a single minimum at R=0 but a sphere of degenerate minima.
 
Thanks for the link! So, you're saying that the textbooks give the wrong Hamiltonian? It should be R = |r1 - r2| - r0, where r1 and r2 are vector positions of both particles? I don't see how this reduces the number od quadratic contributions to the Hamiltonian from 3 to 1 as is necessary for the correct heat capacity.
 
"The textbooks"? How many did you check?
 
You get 3/2kT for the translational degrees of freedom of the center of mass, kT for the approximately harmonic motion around r_0 in the radial co-ordinate (distance) and kT for the rotation trough the degenerate minima giving 7/2 kT in total.
 
This is a problem from e.g. Huang. Doesn't the r0 term couple rotational and vibrational degrees of freedom? I.e. r0 is R dependent because of the centrifugal effect?
 
Indeed it is, but you can usually treat this dependence as a small perturbation. Obviously, the dependence on R-R_0 is not exactly quadratic, etc. However, that Hamiltonian and wavefunction can be justified for a diatomic molecule as the zeroth order term in a development in the quotient of electron to nuclear mass. That was the content of the original paper by Born M, Oppenheimer R. 1927. Ann. Physik 84:457–84
 
Thank you very much for the clarification! Is there, perhaps, an exact solution for the rotating oscillator?
 
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You are wellcome. I fear there is no exact solution for the rotator oscillator.
 

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