Can (x,y,z) be used to represent both a point and a vector?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the representation of points and vectors in three-dimensional space (R^3) using coordinates (x,y,z). Participants explore whether the same notation can be used for both points and vectors, and the implications of this duality in mathematical expressions and functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that a point is described by its coordinates (x,y,z), while a vector can be expressed as r=ax+by+cz, where {x,y,z} is the standard basis.
  • Another participant suggests that (x,y,z) can represent both a point and a vector, depending on the context and the clarity of the basis being stated.
  • A later reply emphasizes that if (a,b,c) is used, it is often shorthand for ax+by+cz, but acknowledges the potential for confusion since (a,b,c) can also denote a point.
  • Some texts utilize the ambiguity of notation, treating the vector ax+by+cz as a vector from the origin (0,0,0) to the point (a,b,c), while others prefer using different notations like to avoid confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the clarity and appropriateness of using the same notation for points and vectors. There is no consensus on a single preferred notation or approach, indicating an ongoing debate about the representation of these mathematical entities.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the potential for confusion arising from the dual use of (x,y,z) for both points and vectors, and the reliance on context to clarify meaning. Some assumptions about notation and conventions in different texts are also noted but remain unresolved.

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Hi everybody,
I have one question about vectors of R^3:
First of all, a point is described by its co-ordinates (x,y,z).
A vector r is described in this way: r=ax+by+cz ,where {x,y,z} is the standard basis (the numbers a,b,c are the "coordinates" of the vector). But i have seen in several books that vectors can be written like this: r =(x,y,z) where x,y,z are its co-ordinates, as long as the basis is clearly stated. So when we write (x,y,z) we may mean the point, or the vector? For example, if we define a function f:R^3->R^3: (x,y,z)->(f1(x,y,z),f2(x,y,z),f3(x,y,z)) , we can think of f(x,y,z) both as a point and a vector? I mean, can we write
f(a,b,c)=f1(a,b,c)x+f2(a,b,c)y+f3(a,b,c)z ?

I hope this makes sense.
Thanks
 
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Yeah, in general you can treat a point as a vector, and vice versa depending on what you need to do with it. If for some reason it would benefit you to think of f(x,y,z) as a point, then do so, and if you need to treat it as a vector, do so. Normally, there should be no confusion either, since if you write (a,b,c) x (d,e,f) then it's clear that you're treating them as vectors since you're taking their cross product, which is an operation of vectors, not points.
 
Thanks for your answer.
 
What happens is that the "unit" vectors x,y, and z (or, and I think more common i, j, k) are "assumed" in writing (a, b, c). That is, (a, b, c) is just a shorthand way of ax+ by+ cz.

Yes, we do also use (a, b, c) to mean a point so that can be confusing. However, some texts make use of the ambiguity since the vector ax+ by+ cz can be thought of as the vector specifically from the point (0,0,0) to the point (a,b,c). Others, however, prefer the notation <a, b, c> for vectors to distinguish a vector from a point.
 

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