3DAnisotropic oscillator in Spherical Harmonic basis-States with L_z=0

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the spectrum for a 3D anisotropic oscillator using spherical harmonics in spherical coordinates, specifically focusing on states with Lz=0. Participants explore the implications of the Hamiltonian and the constraints on quantum numbers Nx, Ny, and Nz.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a code that calculates states of a 3D anisotropic oscillator and notes that the Hamiltonian leads to states with Lz=0 due to the spherical harmonic potential.
  • Another participant questions whether the system is isotropic in the x-y plane, seeking clarification on the initial description.
  • A participant corrects the Hamiltonian provided and confirms that the system is indeed isotropic in the x-y plane.
  • One participant suggests a method to find combinations of Nx and Ny that yield Lz=0 by expressing angular momentum in terms of creation and annihilation operators.
  • Another participant states that an infinite number of spherical harmonics are required for a spherical harmonic expansion of an exact eigenstate when the frequencies are not equal, due to the dependence of the wave function on cos(θ).
  • A later reply reiterates the need for an infinite series expansion in the presence of anisotropy and acknowledges the influence of the degree of anisotropy on numerical convergence.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to derive the spectrum or the constraints on quantum numbers, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of deriving the spectrum in spherical coordinates and the challenges posed by anisotropic conditions, including the need for infinite series expansions under certain frequency ratios.

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I've been trying to prove a rather simple looking concept. I have a code that calculates states of a 3D anisotropic oscillator in spherical coordinates. The spherical harmonics basis used to expand it's solutions in radial coordinate constraint the spectrum such that when the Hamiltonian is diagonalized it calculates only states with Lz=0, because the potential has a spherical harmonic (Y10)2. i.e.

VHO=1/2\hbarm [\omegaxy2(x2+y2) + \omegaz2z2]
VHO=1/2\hbarm [\omegaxy2(x2+y2+z2) + (\omegaz2-\omegaxy2)z2]
Since z=rCos(θ)
VHO=1/2\hbarm [r2(\omegaxy2 + (\omegaz2-\omegaxy2)2\pi/3(Y10)2]


Now, we know the system spectrum in Cartesian ENx,Ny,Nz = 1/2\hbar[\omegaxy(Nx+Ny+1) + \omegaz(Nz+1/2)]. So to calculate this spectrum on paper for verification one can either
(a) calculate spectrum for 3D anisotropic oscillator in spherical coordinates directly OR
(b) look for states with Lz=0 in terms of Nx, Ny, Nz by introducing constraints on Nx, Ny & Nz -> like Nx=Ny, Nz=0 OR Nx=2Ny, Nz always even or some such rules..
Does anyone have advice on how to derive the anisotropic oscillator spectrum in spherical coordinates (using regular spherical harmonics Ymlas basis for solutions).. if not any advice on how to derive constraints on Nx, Ny, Nz to give Lz=0 states only?? Any help will be greatly appreciated.. thanks!
 
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Is it isotropic in the x-y plane? I can't tell from what you wrote ...
 
Yes, it is isotropic in x-y plane.. But sorry for the confusion, I had written the wrong Hamiltonian.. I've corrected the main question now..
 
You can find combinations of Nx and Ny that give Lz=0 by writing Lz = x py - y px and expressing x, px, y, py in terms of ax and ax+; you should find something like ##L_z \sim a_x^\dagger a_y-a_y^\dagger a_x##. From this you can see that when Lz acts on |Nx,Ny>, Nx+Ny is unchanged. So fix Nx+Ny to some particular value, and find the linear combinations of |Nx,Ny> that are annihilated by Lz. This is an eigenvalue problem for a finite-dimensional matrix.

I suspect a spherical harmonic expansion of an exact eigenstate |Nx,Ny,Nz> requires an infinite number of terms, except at special values of the ratios of the frequencies.
 
Addendum: you always need an infinite number of spherical harmonics whenever ##\omega_{xy}\ne\omega_z##. This is because the gaussian factor of the wave function will have some ##\cos\theta## dependence in the exponent, and this can't be expressed as a finite linear combination of ##Y_{\ell m}##'s.
 
Avodyne said:
Addendum: you always need an infinite number of spherical harmonics whenever ##\omega_{xy}\ne\omega_z##. This is because the gaussian factor of the wave function will have some ##\cos\theta## dependence in the exponent, and this can't be expressed as a finite linear combination of ##Y_{\ell m}##'s.
@Avodyne: That is correct. The basis is a "spherical" harmonic basis.. so any anisotropy will have to be an infinite series expansion, though the degree of anisotropy i.e ##|\omega_{xy}/\omega_z-1|## will decide the numerical convergence.. your earlier suggestion was helpful, thanks!
 

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