A basic question: What does closed form mean?

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The discussion centers around the concept of "closed form" in mathematics, exploring its definition and implications in various contexts, including finite sums and infinite series. Participants examine how closed form expressions are characterized and provide examples to illustrate their points.

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  • One participant suggests that a closed form is a formula with a finite number of symbols, using the example of an infinite geometric series to illustrate this.
  • Another participant argues that the definition of closed form may depend on context, referencing a Wikipedia definition that emphasizes expressions in terms of well-known functions and excludes infinite series, limits, and continued fractions.
  • A different viewpoint posits that closed form is not limited to infinite series, providing an example of a finite sum of powers and deriving a closed form expression for a sum of n terms.

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Participants express differing views on the definition and scope of closed form, indicating that multiple competing interpretations remain without a consensus on a singular definition.

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Limitations in the discussion include varying interpretations of what constitutes a "well-known" function and the potential ambiguity in the application of closed form to different mathematical contexts.

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A basic question: What does "closed form" mean?

"The point here is that \sigma algebras are difficult but \pi systems are easy: one can often write down in closed form the general element of a \pi system while the general element event of \mathbf B \mathbf is impossibly complicated" - From the "Diffusions" text by Rogers and Williams.

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hard to describe... I guess it's a formula that has a finite nmber of symbols. i know for an infinite geometric series,

a+ ax + ax^2 + ax^3 + ... = \frac{a}{1-x}

the right-hand side is a closed form of the left-hand side
 


I suppose it depends on the context. If you have a sum of infinite terms, "closed form" would perhaps be an explicit formula of a few terms.

Wiki got something on it:

"In mathematics, an expression is said to be a closed-form expression if, and only if, it can be expressed analytically in terms of a bounded number of certain "well-known" functions. Typically, these well-known functions are defined to be elementary functions; so infinite series, limits, and continued fractions are not permitted.

Similarly, an equation or system of equations is said to have a closed-form solution if, and only if, at least one solution can be expressed as a closed-form expression."
 


I don't think it is limited to infinite series.

Say you wanted the sum of 5 powers of 9: 9^4 + 9^3 + 9^2 + 9^1 +9^0

Not so hard, but what if there were a hundred terms?

Note that the sum is 111119. Or 888889/89.

But 888889 is 95-1. For n terms, the closed form would be

(9n-1)/8
 
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