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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving an elastic collision between two billiard balls, one moving at a speed of 4.00 m/s and the other initially stationary. Participants are tasked with determining the final speed and direction of the incoming ball after the collision, as well as the direction of the stationary ball post-collision.

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A billiard ball moves at a speed of 4.00m/s and collides elastically with an identical stationary ball. As a result, the stationary ball flies away at a speed of 1.69m/s, as shown in Figure A2.12. Determine the final speed and direction of the incoming ball after the collision and the direction of the stationary ball after the collision
Relevant Equations
KEi = KE1 + KE2
p1x + p2x = p'1x + p'2x
p1y + p2y = p'1y + p'2y
cos(theta1)^2 + sin(theta1)^2 = cos(theta2)^2 + sin(theta2)^2
I know this question has been asked before but I really need some help finishing this final piece of the puzzle.. I have attached an image of my work to show how far I have gotten towards the solution but my unfamiliarity with trigonometry equations has gotten my stuck. Please assist! thank you
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ejantz said:
Problem Statement: A billiard ball moves at a speed of 4.00m/s and collides elastically with an identical stationary ball. As a result, the stationary ball flies away at a speed of 1.69m/s, as shown in Figure A2.12. Determine the final speed and direction of the incoming ball after the collision and the direction of the stationary ball after the collision
Relevant Equations: KEi = KE1 + KE2
p1x + p2x = p'1x + p'2x
p1y + p2y = p'1y + p'2y
cos(theta1)^2 + sin(theta1)^2 = cos(theta2)^2 + sin(theta2)^2
Remember, ##\sin^2(\theta) + \cos^2(\theta) = 1 ## for any angle.
 
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okay perfect, yes. so next step:
(4 - v'1 cosθ1)^2 + (v'1 sinθ1)^2 = 1.69^2 (cos^2 θ2 + sin^2 θ2)
this second part would be: = 2.8561 X 1 = 2.8561
but the first half now I am still struggling.. should i substitute in the v'1 (3.63) value?
(4^2 - 3.63^2 X cos^2 θ1) + (3.63^2 X sin^2 θ1) = 2.8561
2.8231 X cos^2 θ1 + 13.1769 X sin^2 θ1 = 2.8561
2.8231 X cos^2 θ1 = 2.8561 - 13.1769 X sin^2 θ1
2.8231 X cos^2 θ1 = -10.32 X sin^2 θ1
(2.82 / -10.32) = (sin^2 θ1 / cos^2 θ1)
-0.2735 = tan θ1
θ1 = tan-1(-0.2735) = -15.3

θ1 + θ2 = 90
θ2 = 90 - (-15.3)
θ2 = 105.3

I know I went wrong somewhere.. thank you for your help!
 
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okay perfect, yes. so next step:
(4 - v'1 cosθ1)^2 + (v'1 sinθ1)^2 = 1.69^2 (cos^2 θ2 + sin^2 θ2)
this second part would be: = 2.8561 X 1 = 2.8561
but the first half now I am still struggling.. should i substitute in the v'1 (3.63) value?
(4^2 - 3.63^2 X cos^2 θ1) + (3.63^2 X sin^2 θ1) = 2.8561
##(4 - v'1 \cosθ1)^2 ## is not equal to ##(4^2 - 3.63^2 \cos^2 θ1)##
How do you get the square of (a-b)?
 
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ohhh right, okay:
(4 − v′1 cosθ1)^2 = 2.8561
v'1^2 cos^2 θ1 − 8v'1 cos θ1 +16 = 2.8561
(3.63)^2 cos^2 θ1 - 8(3.63)cos(θ) + 16 = 2.8561
13.1769 cos^2 θ1 - 29.04 cos θ1 + 13.1439

apply the quadratic equation for: 13.1769 x^2 - 29.04 x + 13.1439
= 1.57 and 0.63
θ1 = cos-1 0.63 (cannot take inverse of 1.57)
θ1 = 50.95

θ1 + θ2 = 90
θ2 = 90 - (50.95)
θ2 = 39.1

does that look correct??
 
ah no sorry i completely forgot about the other half of the equation! ignore the previous post, check this:

(4 - v'1 cosθ1)^2 + (v'1 sinθ1)^2 = 1.69^2 (cos^2 θ2 + sin^2 θ2)
(4 − v′1 cosθ1)^2 + ((3.63)^2 X sin^2 θ1) = 2.8561

(4 − v′1 cosθ1)^2 --> v'1^2 cos^2 θ1 − 8v'1 cos θ1 +16

(3.63)^2 cos^2 θ1 - 8(3.63)cos(θ) + 16 + (13.1769 X sin^2 θ1) = 2.856
13.1769 cos^2 θ1 - 29.04 cos θ1 + 13.1769 sin^2 θ1 +13.144 = 0
 
ooo okay, then what about this:
13.1769 (cos^2 θ1 + sin^2 θ1) = 29.04 cos θ1 - 13.144
13.1769 = 29.04 cos θ1 - 13.144
cos θ1 = (13.1769 + 13.144) / 29.04
θ1 = cos-1 (0.906)
θ1 = 25.0

θ1 + θ2 = 90
θ2 = 90 - (25.0)
θ2 = -25

woww that was such a struggle, I am sorry, I think I may have it this time though??
 
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ah no sorry i completely forgot about the other half of the equation! ignore the previous post, check this:

(4 - v'1 cosθ1)^2 + (v'1 sinθ1)^2 = 1.69^2 (cos^2 θ2 + sin^2 θ2)
(4 − v′1 cosθ1)^2 + ((3.63)^2 X sin^2 θ1) = 2.8561

(4 − v′1 cosθ1)^2 --> v'1^2 cos^2 θ1 − 8v'1 cos θ1 +16

(3.63)^2 cos^2 θ1 - 8(3.63)cos(θ) + 16 + (13.1769 X sin^2 θ1) = 2.856
13.1769 cos^2 θ1 - 29.04 cos θ1 + 13.1769 sin^2 θ1 +13.144 = 0
OK. apply sin2(θ1 )+cos2(θ1 )=1 again.
 
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