A challenging ODE question: find an integrating factor

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The discussion revolves around finding an integrating factor for the ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by y' + sin(y) + xcos(y) + x = 0. Participants explore the properties and conditions under which a proposed integrating factor can be validated.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the ODE and proposes that e^x(sec^2(y/2)) might be an integrating factor but struggles to demonstrate its validity.
  • Another participant agrees that e^xsec^2(y/2) could be an integrating factor and references a general test for integrating factors involving partial derivatives.
  • A third participant reiterates the proposed integrating factor and emphasizes the need for trigonometric identities to validate it, while expressing skepticism about the previous claims made by others.
  • A fourth participant discusses the conditions under which the differential becomes exact, referencing the relationship between the integrating factor and the components of the ODE.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the proposed integrating factor and the methods required to demonstrate its correctness. There is no consensus on the integrating factor's validity or the approach to proving it.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific mathematical tests and identities, but there are unresolved steps in demonstrating the integrating factor's effectiveness. The discussion does not clarify all assumptions or dependencies on definitions.

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This is the ODE: y' + siny + xcosy + x = 0.
The problem is: Find an integrating factor for the ODE above.

You can see my solution to the ODE here: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=543662. from my solution it seems that e^x(sec^2(y/2)) must be an integrating factor. but I fail to show that it's an integrating factor.
I guess it must be truly challenging to find an integrating factor for it :(
 
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I think that is an integrating factor, recall the general test
u is an integrating factor of N y'+M if

My-Nx=(ux/u)N-(uy/u)M
where subscripts are partial derivatives and for this equation we have
M=sin(y) + x cos(y) + x
N=1
u=exsec2(y/2)=2ex/(1+cos(y))
you will need to use some simple trigonometric identities
 
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lurflurf said:
I think that is an integrating factor, recall the general test
u is an integrating factor of N y'+M if

My-Nx=(ux/u)N-(uy/u)M
where subscripts are partial derivatives and for this equation we have
M=sin(y) + x cos(y) + x
N=1
u=exsec2(y/2)
you will need to use some trigonometric identities for half angles

What he says doesn't make sense to me to be honest. I've solved the ODE, and I'm 99% sure that exsec2(y/2) is an integrating factor. he tells me that I should multiply the integrating factor and show that it turns the ODE into an exact differential because his problem asks me to find an integrating factor for it, not solving the ODE.
 
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Yes if My-Nx=(ux/u)N-(uy/u)M
then the differential is exact this follows from requiring
(uM)y-(uN)x=0
then it is possible to choose a P such that
N=Py/u
M=Px/u
hence
(P)'/u=N y'+M
as desired
 
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