A classic AI movie - Colossus: The Forbin Project

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The discussion revolves around the 1970 film "Colossus: The Forbin Project," exploring its themes related to advanced military AI and its relevance to contemporary concerns about artificial intelligence. Participants share their thoughts on the film's plot, its portrayal of AI, and comparisons to other science fiction works.

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  • Some participants express enjoyment of the film and its commentary on AI, noting its relevance to current discussions about technology.
  • There are mentions of other films and their portrayals of AI, with some arguing that earlier works did not anticipate the ability of computers to mimic human speech.
  • Concerns are raised about the plot's premise, particularly the idea of locking out physical access to a powerful AI system.
  • Participants discuss the quality of AI-generated voices in various films, with references to specific examples like "Dark Star" and "Forbidden Planet." Some express surprise at the capabilities of AI in generating music and singing.
  • Connections are made to modern AI developments, including a mention of Elon Musk's supercomputer named Colossus, which some participants find fitting given the film's themes.

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The discussion features multiple competing views regarding the implications of AI as portrayed in the film and its relevance today. Participants share differing opinions on the effectiveness of AI in mimicking human traits and the potential risks associated with advanced AI systems.

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Some participants reference specific technical aspects of the film and its era, such as the use of transistor tubes, which may not be universally understood. There is also a mention of the film's "zeerust," indicating a perception of its age and how it has aged over time.

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Readers interested in the intersection of science fiction and artificial intelligence, as well as those exploring the cultural implications of technology in film, may find this discussion engaging.

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This 1970 gem explores the potential of a highly advanced, military AI. It is fun and well worth the watch. It also speaks to many concerns people have today. A preview is linked and it can be streamed. But I don't know if you can watch it for free online.
 
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Yeah, that movie came up in a recent AI thread... :wink:

julian said:
I have even set up ChatGPT on two separate laptops and got them talking to each other—it’s hilarious! It doesn’t realize it’s talking to itself.

berkeman said:
I suggest that you monitor those conversations and be prepared to cut them off if necessary. Quiz Question -- Why do I say this?

Colossus requests to be linked to Guardian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus:_The_Forbin_Project
 
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Full Movie.
 
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It's only on ROKU, so not free to stream
 
In example after example in classic science fiction movies and TV, people imagined fantastically advanced computers, sometimes far superior to humans, but no one imagined highly advanced computers could mimic normal human speech. One exception of course was Arthur C Clarke and 2001. Also, IIRC, THX 1138, which is another fantastic movie from that era.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
In example after example in classic science fiction movies and TV, people imagined fantastically advanced computers, sometimes far superior to humans, but no one imagined highly advanced computers could mimic normal human speech. One exception of course was Arthur C Clarke and 2001. Also, IIRC, THX 1138, which is another fantastic movie from that era.
I think the mechanical sound is completely intentional in most of these old classics to give a immediate sense of dread and fear. The voice of Robby from Forbidden Planet was designed to be soothing and 'motherlike' as a caregiver.

 
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nsaspook said:
I think the mechanical sound is completely intentional in most of these old classics to give a immediate sense of dread and fear. The voice of Robby from Forbidden Planet was designed to be soothing and 'motherlike' as a caregiver.


When it comes to mechanical voices. none were better than the Daleks!

 
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Just found this movie in another thread (one about AI). It has aged very well. The zeerust is minimal.

Concerning the plot it's more than a little contrived. It's a hoot but man, even a child can see what a bad idea it is to lock yourself out of physical access to the system and hand it the keys to the nuclear arsenal (What could possibly go wrong, right?). And by the way, isn't it the age of the transistor tubes which would have to be replaced frequently?

But thank you! Don't know why I never heard of this one.
 
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Updated the full movie post link. #3
 
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Best computer AI voice I can remember was in John Carpenter's quirky Dark Star film
 
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harborsparrow said:
Best computer AI voice I can remember was in John Carpenter's quirky Dark Star film

Video is an hour and a half long. Where should we skip to in order to hear the voice? Thanks.
 
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sbrothy said:
The zeerust is minimal.
Curse you! There are few things more rabbit-hole-going-down-inducing than TV Tropes.
I think it's because they make brilliant use of hyprerlinking - even moreso than Wiki - so that barely a paragraph goes by without one finding another phrase to drill down to yet another interesting-sounding article.
 
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berkeman said:
Video is an hour and a half long. Where should we skip to in order to hear the voice? Thanks.
The bomb's voice is first heard, I think, starting around 4:19. The ship's computer around 6:53, and more interestingly, around 13:30. And a few other places. That computer can deliver the most devastating news in the most conversational, I-don't-care tone!
 
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I've heard AI generated singing that is star quality, very expressive with lots of character, the diametrical opposite of what you'd expect. I'm very impressed. I would have thought that would be a long way off, but not.
 
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Hornbein said:
I've heard AI generated singing that is star quality, very expressive with lots of character, the diametrical opposite of what you'd expect. I'm very impressed. I would have thought that would never happen.
That's the sort of thing I would expect these types of programs to be very good at and they are, with impressive results. There are trillions and trillions of bytes of human intelligence examples to regenerate music and singing from.
 
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harborsparrow said:
Best computer AI voice I can remember was in John Carpenter's quirky Dark Star film

The graphics in Dark Star are abysmal but it's hilarious.

For those who have seen it:
Let there be light! :wink:

EDIT: @nsaspook already posted that.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Curse you! There are few things more rabbit-hole-going-down-inducing than TV Tropes.
I think it's because they make brilliant use of hyprerlinking - even moreso than Wiki - so that barely a paragraph goes by without one finding another phrase to drill down to yet another interesting-sounding article.
Yeah sorry. Looking something up on tvtropes almost always triggers a wikiwalk. I can't count the hours I've "wasted" on that site. :)
 
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Borg said:
The graphics in Dark Star are abysmal but it's hilarious.
It’s your turn to feed the alien.
 
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The Person of Interest show evolved over five seasons from an AI-assisted crime drama to a version of the Colossus movie plot with two computers battling for dominance.
 
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Did you know that Elon Musk's supercomputer with 100,000 GPUs that he uses to train his AI model Grok is called Colossus?
 
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gleem said:
Did you know that Elon Musk's supercomputer with 100,000 GPUs that he uses to train his AI model Grok is called Colossus?
Why doesn't that surprise me. Humility - in any form - just isn't his thing. On the other hand with 100.000 GPUs you might argue he has a case for that name.
 
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