A confusing word problem. Can any one solve it?

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The problem involves a toy car driven by an electric motor with a constant power output, tasked with determining the maximum incline it can climb at a specific speed. The car's performance is affected by a frictional force proportional to its speed, represented as kv.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between power, force, and speed, questioning how to incorporate the kv frictional force into their calculations. Some suggest using free body diagrams to analyze the forces acting on the car in different scenarios.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts and expressing confusion about the application of energy concepts and the role of constant power output. There is a recognition of the need for clearer understanding of the forces involved, but no consensus has been reached on a specific approach.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the speeds provided were initially misstated and should be in cm/s, which may affect their calculations. There is also uncertainty regarding the correct application of energy principles versus force analysis.

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Homework Statement



A 240gram toy car is driven by an electric motor that has a constant power output. The car can climb a 24° incline at 16m/s and can travel on a horizontal table at 39m/s. The frictional force retarding the motion is kv, where k is a constant and v is its speed. How steep an incline can it climb with a speed of 28m/s?


The Attempt at a Solution



I've tried solving this for 2 days now and but not succeeded. It seems quite simple but it is the kv part that I don't know how to use.
Please could someone explain how to solve it?

Help is very much appreciated!
Thank you!
 
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katiesstaar said:

Homework Statement



A 240gram toy car is driven by an electric motor that has a constant power output. The car can climb a 24° incline at 16m/s and can travel on a horizontal table at 39m/s. The frictional force retarding the motion is kv, where k is a constant and v is its speed. How steep an incline can it climb with a speed of 28m/s?


The Attempt at a Solution



I've tried solving this for 2 days now and but not succeeded. It seems quite simple but it is the kv part that I don't know how to use.
Please could someone explain how to solve it?

Help is very much appreciated!
Thank you!

Welcome to the PF.

The k*v part is just like wind resistance and/or rolling resistance. They are saying that the only retarding force on flat ground is this resistance, which is proportional to velocity.

Do the 3 FBDs for the 3 cases, and include this resistant force in each. You should end up with a set of equations that you can use to solve for the velocity in the 3rd situation. Please show us your work...
 
Oh thank you :)
I still seem to be going in circles.

I made a table with the kinetic and potential energies for each one: (by the way the speeds are supposed to be in cm/s - i typed it wrong)

1) 0.39m/s --> Kinetic E = m(v^2)/2 = 0.018252 J
Potential E = mgh = 0 J

2) Kinetic = 0.003072 J
Potential = 0.1531 J

3) Kinetic = 0.009408 J
Potential = ?? (i don't know theta, that is what i need to find)

So i guess 2) is best to work with since i have both values so i can find friction:
so friction is PE - KE = 0.1531 - 0.003072 = 0.150028 J

I have no idea if this is right...
and how do i include the "motor has a constant power output" ?

0.39m/s
 
katiesstaar said:
so friction is PE - KE = 0.1531 - 0.003072 = 0.150028 J

I have no idea if this is right...
You are going about this wrong by trying to use energy concepts and incorrect equations. You need to draw free body diagrams as berkeman has suggested, and apply Newton's first law.
and how do i include the "motor has a constant power output" ?
Power is force times velocity, that is, P = Fv. The power delivered by the motor is the same for all cases. Write down all givens and relevant equations. Please show your work using free body diagrams.
 

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