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The discussion centers on the conservation of 4-momentum and its implications for energy and 3-momentum conservation in closed systems. It is established that if the initial 4-momentum \( P_i \) equals the final 4-momentum \( P_f \), then energy \( E_i \) equals \( E_f \) and 3-momentum \( \vec{p}_i \) equals \( \vec{p}_f \). Additionally, the trace of the Faraday tensor is confirmed to be zero, but this does not necessitate that all diagonal entries are zero, particularly in general coordinates, although it holds true in Minkowski coordinates.

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Hi guys! I've got 2 extremely simple questions, hence a single thread.
First, I want to know whether the conservation of the 4-momentum in a closed system implies the conservation of the energy and of the 3-momentum.
Let's assume we consider 2 different times, ##t_i## and ##t_f##. Then ##P_i=(E_i/c,\vec p_i)=P_f=(E_f/c, \vec p_f)##. Where the E's are the energy at the 2 different times and the lower capital p's are the 3-momenta at those 2 different times.
Now each component of ##P_i## must be equal to each component of ##P_f## right? If so, it follows that ##E_i=E_f## and that ##\vec p _i = \vec p_f##. Is this correct?

Second question. I've "heard" that the trace of Faraday tensor is 0 and thus its diagonal entries are all 0. However the trace is definied as the sum of all the entries on the diagonal... so the fact that the trace is 0 does not imply that all the diagonal entries are worth 0. Is this correct?
Thanks.
 
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Yes to your first question - all reasoning and conclusion is fine.

[edit: removed answer to second question, since you changed it while I was writing answer.]
 
trace=0 does not, by itself, require all diagonal entries to be zero.
 
As for the Faraday tensor, trace=0 is a coordinate independent statement. All diagonal elements zero is true in Minkowski coordinates, but not in general coordinates.
 
I see PAllen, thanks for the confirmations.
However I don't really understand your last statement
As for the Faraday tensor, trace=0 is a coordinate independent statement. All diagonal elements zero is true in Minkowski coordinates, but not in general coordinates.
. If it is coordinate independent, then how come it is not true with general coordinates?
 
fluidistic said:
I see PAllen, thanks for the confirmations.
However I don't really understand your last statement . If it is coordinate independent, then how come it is not true with general coordinates?

trace=0 is true in all coordinates.

All diagonal elements zero is not true in general coordinates. However, the trace will still be zero.
 
PAllen said:
trace=0 is true in all coordinates.

All diagonal elements zero is not true in general coordinates. However, the trace will still be zero.

Ah I see! Thanks a lot. (I had to reread).
 

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