A hyperbolicshape of the universe, despite measurements

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the shape of the universe, specifically the possibility of it being hyperbolic despite recent measurements suggesting a flat geometry. Participants explore different hyperbolic geometries, including the projective model, and their implications for cosmological observations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the universe could be hyperbolic according to the projective model without contradicting supernova measurements.
  • Another participant notes the challenge of using observations to distinguish between different cosmological models that are conformally equivalent.
  • A third participant argues that current evidence indicates the universe is too close to flat to make definitive claims, emphasizing that the supernova project may not effectively test spacetime geometry.
  • This participant also mentions dark energy as a more promising explanation for brightness discrepancies, contingent on the assumption of an expanding universe.
  • A later reply questions the understanding of the projective model and requests a citation for clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the shape of the universe and the implications of supernova measurements, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about cosmological models and the interpretations of observational data, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Hi.
If I have got it all right the latest measurements of light from very distanced super novas tells us that the space of the universe is not curved, either hyperbolic or Spherical.
But I have recently been introduced to diffrent kind of hyperbolic geometries, like the projective model for example.
Couldnt our universe be a hyperbolic universe (if the hyperbolic geometry in this case is as the projective model says) without contradicting the measurements of the supernova light?
 
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There is always the issue of the difficulty of using observations to differentiate between different cosmological models that are conformally equivalent to each other.

Garth
 
It's currently too close to flat to make a call, at least at large scales [~100 Mpc] based on the majority of current evidence. The supernova project is, however, not a good test for spacetime geometry. Dark energy is viewed as a much more promising candidate explanationg for the brightness discrepancy. This of course, presupposes the universe is expanding, but that appears a more reasonable explanation than one based strictly on geometry.
 
Projective model?

Hymne said:
But I have recently been introduced to diffrent kind of hyperbolic geometries, like the projective model for example.

I suspect you misunderstood something, but it would be impossible to say unless you can give a citation (preferably to something like an arXiv eprint).
 

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