A little help understanding how you get from one step to the next

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The discussion revolves around a problem from a digital signal processing class, specifically focusing on the analytical steps involved in deriving an expression for w(t) = r cos(100t + ∅) from given functions x(t) and y(t). Participants seek clarification on the transition between specific mathematical expressions in the solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • Seán expresses confusion regarding the transition from the expression 2w(t) = ej100t + e-j100t + ej100t + pi/3 + e-j100t - pi/3 to 2w(t) = ej100t(ejpi/3 + 1) + e-j100t(e-jpi/3 + 1).
  • One participant points out a potential error in Seán's notation, suggesting that the exponent should include j multiplying pi/3.
  • Seán later acknowledges a mistake in the notation of y(t), clarifying it as y(t) = cos(100t + pi/3).
  • Another participant provides a method to rewrite the terms to facilitate the transition between the two lines, suggesting the use of identities related to cosine functions.
  • Seán expresses gratitude for the assistance received.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains some points of confusion and correction regarding notation and mathematical steps, but no consensus is reached on the clarity of the transition between the expressions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential missing parentheses in the exponent of the terms, which could affect the clarity of the expressions. There is also mention of identities that could simplify the reasoning, but these are not universally accepted or applied in the discussion.

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Hello,

I hope I am posting this is in the right section. It is not a home work question, it is from a solution to a tutorial, and I just cannot see how the lecturer has gotten from one step to the next. If I don't get the solution here, I will ask him, but that will be later next week, and I would like to understand it now.

Anyway. It is a question relating to a digital signal processing class, and we were asked to show analytically that

w(t) = r cos(100t+∅).

In the question, we are told that x(t) = cos(100t) and y(t) = cos(100t + [itex]\pi[/itex]) where w(t) = x(t) + y(t).

The part I am having an issue with is from this line

2w(t) = ej100t + e-j100t + ej100t + pi/3 + e -j100t - pi/3

To this line

2w(t) = ej100t(ejpi/3+1) + e-j100t(e-jpi/3+1)

I am sure it is a pretty basic step, but I just cannot see it, and I have no issues with other harder sections, but this is just a mental block for me.

Thanks in advance for any help you can gove me.

Seán
 
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In your next to the last line you left out j multiplying pi/3 in both expressions. The exponent should be j(110t + pi/3), although I am puzzled where the /3 came from, since the original y doesn't have it.
 
Oh, that's me been silly, I was too worried about getting all the main equations right with the html tags and what have you ...it is y(x) = cos(100t +pi/3).

Sorry.

If by the second to last line you mean 2w(t) = ej100t + e-j100t + ej100t + pi/3 + e -j100t - pi/3 ...that's how it is in the solution.

Seán
 
SMOF said:
The part I am having an issue with is from this line

2w(t) = ej100t + e-j100t + ej100t + pi/3 + e -j100t - pi/3

To this line

2w(t) = ej100t(ejpi/3+1) + e-j100t(e-jpi/3+1)

On the first line, rewrite ej100t as ej100t*1, ej100t + pi/3 as ej100t*epi/3. Now collect the terms of ej100t, yielding ej100t + ej100t + pi/3 = ej100t(1+epi/3). Do the same for the other two terms and you get the second line.There is an easier way to address this if you remember your half angle formulae and some identities based on these. One such identity is

[tex]\cos a + \cos(a+b) = 2\cos\frac b 2 \cos(a+\frac b 2)[/tex]

It is a good one to keep this identity in your head, at least in structure. You don't need to know the identity by heart, but it is good to know the general nature of the identity as it does come up quite a bit.
 
That's great, thanks a lot!

Seán
 
SMOF said:
Oh, that's me been silly, I was too worried about getting all the main equations right with the html tags and what have you ...it is y(x) = cos(100t +pi/3).

Sorry.

If by the second to last line you mean 2w(t) = ej100t + e-j100t + ej100t + pi/3 + e -j100t - pi/3 ...that's how it is in the solution.

Seán
It looks to me that a parenthesis pair is missing from the exponent in each term. It is corrected in the last line.
 

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