A new thermodynamic theory of life

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The discussion centers around a new thermodynamic theory of life, exploring how organized structures may emerge from ensembles of matter under the influence of external energy sources. It touches on the transition from non-life to life and the implications of energy capture and dissipation in living organisms.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the theory suggests a mechanism by which matter can acquire attributes associated with life through energy dissipation.
  • Others question whether the theory fundamentally explains how chemistry transitions into biology.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about the potential experimental outcomes related to the theory.
  • Another participant notes that living organisms are efficient at capturing and dissipating energy, raising the question of whether humans represent the peak of this evolutionary process.
  • A participant shares methods for researching further developments related to the theory, including citations of relevant papers.
  • Some participants express interest in the endosymbiotic theory and its relevance to cellular life.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express interest in the theory and its implications, but there is no consensus on its validity or the specifics of how it relates to the emergence of life. Multiple competing views and questions remain unresolved.

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Some discussions reference specific papers and research methods, but there are limitations in the assumptions made about the theory's implications and the definitions of life and energy dissipation.

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Readers interested in thermodynamics, the origins of life, energy dynamics in biological systems, and related scientific research may find this discussion relevant.

Pythagorean
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A "new" thermodynamic theory of life

Interesting idea...

The formula, based on established physics, indicates that when a group of atoms is driven by an external source of energy (like the sun or chemical fuel) and surrounded by a heat bath (like the ocean or atmosphere), it will often gradually restructure itself in order to dissipate increasingly more energy. This could mean that under certain conditions, matter inexorably acquires the key physical attribute associated with life.

https://www.simonsfoundation.org/quanta/20140122-a-new-physics-theory-of-life/

The peer-reviewed paper, published in AIP: Journal of Chemical Physics:

Statistical physics of self-replication
http://www.englandlab.com/uploads/7/8/0/3/7803054/2013jcpsrep.pdf
 
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Yes, but (I think) more generally, about how organized structure can emerge from ensembles of matter.
 
If this were true, it would be massively important. I am very curious to see how the experiments the one guy is thinking of turn out.
 
... living things ... tend to be much better at capturing energy from their environment and dissipating that energy as heat.

Does this mean that we are the peak of evolutionary radiators?

Anyways, I agree. This is interesting.

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ps. I would like to thank the PF gods for getting rid of the philosophy forum before this revelation was presented.
 
I just ran across this article on SciAm. Any more developments or thoughts?
 
Your bump reminded me of this paper, so I employed an ancient technique:

1) go to Google Scholar and search for the paper by title
2) click "cited by" link under the paper's entry
3) (optional) check the box to "limit search results"
4) (optional) search for Author's name to see cases of him citing himself

This should give you an indication in any progress he's made or collaborations he's done since. Here's the two hits that stood out to me just by title:

Dissipative adaptation in driven self-assembly
https://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/v10/n11/abs/nnano.2015.250.html
Statistical Physics of Adaptation
https://journals.aps.org/prx/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevX.6.021036
 
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Here is a list of England's publications from his academic website.
Included there are links to drafts of papers in press.
Other parts of the website include the research interests of the lab.
 
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The internal organelles play a greater role within a cell. The endosymbiotic theory is of interest to me:
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