A path which its domain is a general compact set.

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The discussion revolves around the concept of generalizing the notion of a path in topology, specifically considering paths defined on compact sets rather than just intervals. Participants explore the implications of this generalization, particularly in relation to properties such as convexity and homotopy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if there is a specific term for a continuous function defined on a compact set that serves as a generalization of a path.
  • Another participant states that a path is typically defined as a continuous map from the interval [0,1] to a topological space, noting that other types of intervals may also apply.
  • A participant expresses a desire to generalize the notion of a path but seeks clarification on which properties should be retained in this generalization.
  • One participant suggests that a generalized path should connect two distinct points in a compact and convex range, using the example of mapping the north and south poles of a sphere to points in another space.
  • There is a discussion about whether such a construction, when the domain is only compact and not necessarily convex, can still be considered a homotopy.
  • A participant explains that homotopy typically refers to a path of maps and describes the conditions under which two functions can be considered homotopic.
  • Another participant mentions that homotopies can be defined using different indexing sets, emphasizing the need for a continuous index for continuous deformations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition and properties of generalized paths and homotopies. There is no consensus on whether the proposed generalizations maintain the term "homotopy" or what specific characteristics should be preserved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of paths and homotopies that may not be universally accepted. The implications of using compact sets versus convex sets in defining paths remain unresolved.

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How is a general path called instead of being a continuous function from an interval to some topological space, where we replace the domain from an interval to a compact set, is there a name for such a function?

Perhaps I should add that the compact set is also convex.
 
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But a path is usually defined as a continuous map ## f: I \rightarrow X ##, where ##I=[0,1] ##, which is compact and convex. Of course, you may deal with open, half-open intervals too.
 
I want to somehow to generalize the notion of a path.
 
Generalize it in what way? That is, what properties of a "path" do you want to keep?
 
@HallsofIvy That it connects two points on the range which aren't necessarily the same and that the range is compact and convex. Such as if the domain is S^2, then the north pole is mapped to some point in X and the south pole to some point in X, and in case they are mapped to the same point, it's the same as in the case of path homotopy, where you define the first fundamental homotopy; Is there a name for such construction?

I can see that it's called in case of S^n and [0,1]^n as n-homotopy paths, what happens in case the domain is only compact, and not necessarily convex, is such a construction still called a homotopy?
 
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@HallsofIvy That it connects two points on the range which aren't necessarily the same and that the range is compact and convex. Such as if the domain is S^2, then the north pole is mapped to some point in X and the south pole to some point in X, and in case they are mapped to the same point, it's the same as in the case of path homotopy, where you define the first fundamental homotopy; Is there a name for such construction?

I can see that it's called in case of S^n and [0,1]^n as n-homotopy paths, what happens in case the domain is only compact, and not necessarily convex, is such a construction still called a homotopy?

While I am not totally sure, homotopy to me always refers to a path of maps. Two functions, f and g, from a space, X into a space Y, are homotopic if there is a map from XxI -> Y such that F(x,0) = f(x) and F(x,1) = g(x). The space X need not be compact.

In the case of the sphere, one has a surjective map from IxI -> S^2 which crushes the top of the square to the north pole and the bottom to the south pole and maps the vertical lines (a,t) to great circles. So this reduces to the case of a homotopy between two constant paths.
 
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AFAIK, you can define your homotopies using different indexing sets, not necessarily the unit interval, if that is what you were asking. Of course, if you want a continuous deformation, you need a continuous index, which I think is equivalent to having a dense ordering, i.e., a relation < so that if x<y , there is z so that x<z<y.
 

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