A physics (calculus) problem that I can't set up.

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The original poster presents a thought experiment regarding the scenario in which the Earth stops orbiting the sun and begins to accelerate towards it. The problem involves classical kinematics and gravitational acceleration, specifically questioning how long it would take for the Earth to reach the sun under these conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of gravitational acceleration not being constant and the challenges of integrating the acceleration function. Some suggest using energy considerations instead of direct kinematic equations. Others mention the relevance of Kepler's laws to estimate the time to fall.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have offered alternative methods to tackle the problem, while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding the Earth's orbit and the simplifications involved.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted complexity in the problem due to the non-constant acceleration and the initial conditions set by the original poster. Some participants emphasize the need to ignore complications related to the Earth's elliptical orbit.

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I first want to say that this isn't a problem from school or anything, I just thought of it one day and when I tried to do it, I couldn't!

Homework Statement


If the Earth suddenly stopped orbiting the sun in its circular path, it would immediately begin the accelerate toward the sun in a straight path. From a classical kinematic point of view, how long will it take the Earth to reach the sun if r(0)=ri (distance from Earth to sun), v(0)=0, and a(0)=0.

I understand classical kinematics (a=dv/dt=d^2x/t^2), but in a macroscopic case like this, acceleration isn't constant; its a function of position, according to Newtons Law of gravitation a=G*m/r(t)^2.

Homework Equations


Newton's law of gravitation: A smaller object will accelerate towards a larger object with an acceleration = G*m/r(t)^2, where G is the gravitational constant, m is the mass of the bigger object, r(t) is the distance between the two objects.


The Attempt at a Solution


The first thing I thought to do was integrate a=G*m/r(t)^2 twice with time to get s as a function of t. => v=G*m*t/r^2 => s=G*m*t^2/(2*r^2) and s(ti)=r and s(tf)=0. I don't know where to go from there because of I have position as a function of time and position (if that makes sense?)

So r(t)=ri - s. => s=ri - r(t) => ri - r(t) = G*m*t^2/(2*r^2).

Can anyone help me out with this one? Thanks!
 
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Since the Earth orbits in an elliptical path it would vary depending on where the Earth is in its orbit.
 
No, ignoring complications like that. With ri= mean distance from Earth to the sun.
 
Well you'd have an easier time using energy, at t=0 there is no kinetic energy of the system only potential
 
The 'time to fall integral' is a little difficult (but not undoable). But you can use Kepler's third law to get an estimate. The cube of the semimajor axis is proportional to the period squared. If the Earth's velocity suddenly falls to almost zero then it's orbital path will be one that passes very close to the sun and then returns. That means that the semimajor axis is cut in half. What does that do to the period? Time to fall to the sun is then 1/2 of that new period.
 

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