A possible case of an irreversible process in which total entropy decreases

In summary, the process of a hot stone cooling down when dropped into a lake does not result in a decrease in total entropy. While the entropy of the stone decreases, the entropy of the lake increases, resulting in a finite overall increase in entropy. The assumption of the lake's temperature being constant does not change this fact.
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When a hot stone is dropped into a lake the change in temperature of the lake is negligible, but the stone cools down and so its entropy decreases. Is this therefore a case of an irreversible process in which total entropy decreases?

This isn't for homework but for revision towards my resit. I just can't find anything in my notes which is helping me understand.
 
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Hi ticktock, welcome to PF. No, this is not an example of total entropy decreasing. The entropy increase in the lake is finite (and greater than the entropy decrease in the stone) even if you consider the temperature increase in the lake to be negligible.
 
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When an amount of heat |dQ| moves from the stone to the lake, the decrease in entropy of the stone is[tex]dS_\mathrm{stone} = -\frac{|dQ|}{T_\mathrm{stone}}[/tex] and the increase in entropy of the lake is [tex]dS_\mathrm{lake} = \frac{|dQ|}{T_\mathrm{lake}}[/tex]The total change in entropy is dS = dSlake+dSstone. Given the relative temperature of the lake and stone, what can you say about the sign of dS? Does assuming Tlake is a constant make a difference?
 

1. What is an irreversible process?

An irreversible process is a change in a system that cannot be reversed by any means. This means that the system will not return to its original state even if all external factors are reversed.

2. How does total entropy decrease in an irreversible process?

Total entropy is a measure of disorder in a system and it tends to increase in most processes. However, in an irreversible process, energy is converted into work, resulting in a decrease in total entropy.

3. Can an irreversible process occur naturally?

Yes, irreversible processes can occur naturally, such as the flow of heat from a hot object to a colder one or the expansion of a gas into a vacuum. These processes are spontaneous and cannot be reversed.

4. What are some examples of irreversible processes?

Some examples of irreversible processes include combustion, diffusion, and mixing of gases, as well as biological processes like aging and decay. These processes result in a net increase in entropy and cannot be reversed.

5. Can an irreversible process be made reversible?

In theory, it is possible to make an irreversible process reversible by carefully controlling all external factors and reversing them. However, this is often not practical or feasible in real-world scenarios.

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