A question about a new way to find eigenvectors that i noticed

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The discussion revolves around finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors of the matrix expression T^2 + 2T, with a focus on understanding the relationship between the eigenvalues of T and the resulting expression. Participants express confusion regarding the approach taken by another solver who seems to bypass certain steps in the process.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of known eigenvalues of T on the computation of eigenvalues for T^2 + 2T. Questions arise about the method of deriving new eigenvalues from existing ones and the reasoning behind skipping steps in the original solution.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between eigenvalues of T and the expression T^2 + 2T. However, there remains uncertainty about the process of applying this relationship, and further clarification is sought regarding the transition from eigenvalues of T to those of the new expression.

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There is mention of a previous problem that provided eigenvalues for T, which may not be fully detailed in the current discussion. Participants are also grappling with the terminology and concepts surrounding "independent spaces" and the specific steps in the eigenvalue computation process.

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i got this question in which we are given the matrix T
and we need to find the eigenvalues and the independent spaces (i don't know what is independent space) of T^2 +2*T

the problem is that he started to solve the question as i would have solved it
but then he puts a big X on it and does something else
i can't understand it??(and he gets all the point for it)

it looks as if he skips the finding the roots of polinomial step
why?

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The solver appears to have realized that he didn't have to compute the eigenvalues of T^2+2*T since he already knew that the eigenvalues of T were +1 and -1, apparently from a previous problem. This let him immediately conclude the eigenvalues of T^2+2*T are 3 and -1. Once he knew the eigenvalues he substituted them in for lambda and seems to have read off the eigenvectors more or less by inspection. It's not a new way of computing eigenvalues.
 
If \lambda is an eigenvalue of T, with eigenvector v, then Tv= \lambdav. From that, (T^2+ 2T)v= T(T(v))+ 2T(v)= T(\lambda v)- 2\lambda= \lambda T(v)- 2\lambda= \lambda(\lambda v)- 2\lambda v= (\lambda^2- 2\lambda) v.

In other words if \lambda is an eigenvalue of T with eigenvector v, then \lambda^2- 2\lambda is an eigenvalue of T2- 2T with eigenvector v.

It is easier to find the eigenvalues of T and then use that formula than to find the eigenvalues of T2- 2T directly.
 
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ok i understood how you got the formula from the T^2 + 2T epression

what now??
how do i mix up the eigenvalues of T with this formula in order to get the new values
??
 
transgalactic said:
ok i understood how you got the formula from the T^2 + 2T epression

what now??
how do i mix up the eigenvalues of T with this formula in order to get the new values
??

What do you mean by "mix up the eigenvalues of T" and what "new values" are you talking about?

If you mean "How do I go from the eigenvalues of T to the eigenvalues of T2- 2T?", that's exactly what I told you before.:
In other words if \lambda is an eigenvalue of T with eigenvector v, then \lambda^2- 2\lambda is an eigenvalue of T2- 2T with eigenvector v.
 
correct me if i am wrong

x-eigenvalue of T
y-eigen value of the expression
y(x)=x^2-2*x

so if x=-1 then for that "old" eigen value we get y=3
and we do that process for every eigenvalue
 

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