A question about the empty set

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The discussion centers on the fundamental concept of sets, emphasizing the need for a clear definition before using the term. It distinguishes between the unused state of a set, represented as }{, and the used state, represented as {}, arguing that the Zermelo-Fraenkel (ZF) axiom of the empty set contains a hidden assumption about the existence of content. Participants debate whether there are alternative set theories that avoid this assumption and explore the implications of defining sets without presuppositions. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding mathematical conventions and the distinction between variables and constants in set theory. Ultimately, the dialogue reflects a deeper inquiry into the foundational aspects of set theory and its axioms.
  • #51
so it is a model that isn't a model?
 
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  • #52
x content cannot be but a model of the content.

No content has any impact on this hierarchy.
 
  • #53
Let x1 = the model of "all not x-models"

Let x2 = the model of "the model of "all not x-models""

x1 not= x2

general notation:

x=model(x)


x = x only if x is actual(= not theoretical, or not a model)
 
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  • #54
x=x is a tautology.

you know, you might want to define what you mean by model at some point, as even you seem confused by it.
 
  • #55
I am not confused, you are the one because your point of view does not distinguish between the theoretical and the actual.
 
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