A question on basics of statistical mechanics

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The discussion revolves around the basics of statistical mechanics, specifically focusing on the concepts of energy states, density of states, and the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution. Participants explore the relationships between the number of particles, energy states, and their respective distributions, aiming for a clearer understanding of these foundational ideas.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the equation n(ε) = g(ε)f(ε) and seeks clarification on the definitions of n(ε), g(ε), and f(ε).
  • Another participant explains that for a normal density ρ(x), the amount of matter in a small volume Δχ is ρ(x)Δχ, drawing a parallel to the density of states g(ε) and the number of states in a small energy range Δε being g(ε)Δε.
  • A participant questions whether g(ε) is indeed measured over a small interval of energy Δε and proposes the formulation g(ε) = dn(ε)/dε, indicating that n(ε) corresponds to the number of states at energy ε.
  • Another participant agrees with the formulation and confirms that g(ε) is measured over a small interval of energy Δε.
  • There is a query about the precise meaning of f(ε), with one participant suggesting that f(ε) represents the probability of a particle occupying a state of energy ε when energy is discrete.
  • A later reply expands on the understanding of f(ε) in the context of continuous energy, stating that the probability of a particle having energy between ε and ε + dε is n(ε)dε = g(ε)f(ε)dε.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical relationships involving g(ε) and n(ε), but there remains uncertainty regarding the precise definitions and implications of f(ε) and the transition from discrete to continuous energy states.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the continuity of energy states and the definitions of the terms involved, which are not fully resolved.

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We don't have rigorous approach to statistical mechanics but have an intuitive one.We follow Concepts of Modern Physics by Sir Arthur Beiser.
It is given that
n(ε)=g(ε)f(ε) Here ε is the energy state.
where according to my understanding
n(ε)=number of particles which are present in an energy state ε.
g(ε)=number of states corresponding to energy state ε.
f(ε)=average number of particles in each state.
Is my understanding right? I can't figure this out.
In the next two lines he states that if the energy distribution is continuous rather than discrete, then..
1.The number of energy states between ε and ε+dε(dεis small change in energy) is g(ε)dε.My question is how is this possible? If there are two states, ε and ε+dε. then the number of states between them is g(ε+dε)-g(ε), is it not?
2. The same is said for number number of particles between ε and ε+dε. He says that the number is equal to n(ε)dε,How? Should it not be like g(ε+dε)-g(ε)??

He uses these two assumptions to derive the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution(We don't derive partition function). Please help me out as I need atleast some basic level of understanding(if not rigorous)..
 
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For a normal density ρ(x), the amount of matter in a small volume Δχ is ρ(x)Δχ , which one integrates over to find the amount of matter in larger volumes.

Similarly, for the density of states g(ε), the number of states in small energy range Δε is g(ε)Δε.
 
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atyy said:
For a normal density ρ(x), the amount of matter in a small volume Δχ is ρ(x)Δχ , which one integrates over to find the amount of matter in larger volumes.

Similarly, for the density of states g(ε), the number of states in small energy range Δε is g(ε)Δε.

I think I got it. Well, my understanding was wrong.Is g(ε) measured over a small interval of energy Δε.
Is this mathematical formulation right?

g(ε)=dn(ε)/dε..here n(e) is the number of states which correspond to a particular energy ε.
 
sharan swarup said:
I think I got it. Well, my understanding was wrong.Is g(ε) measured over a small interval of energy Δε.
Is this mathematical formulation right?

g(ε)=dn(ε)/dε..here n(e) is the number of states which correspond to a particular energy ε.

Yes, that's right.
 
atyy said:
For a normal density ρ(x), the amount of matter in a small volume Δχ is ρ(x)Δχ , which one integrates over to find the amount of matter in larger volumes.

Similarly, for the density of states g(ε), the number of states in small energy range Δε is g(ε)Δε.

also what is the precise meaning of f(ε)?
 
I don't know the precise definition. It's easiest for me to think of f(ε) before we take energy to be continuous. In that case f(ε) is the probability that a particle occupies a particular state of energy ε. Still keeping energy discrete, g(ε) is the number of states with energy ε. Then the probability that a particle has energy ε is n(ε)=g(ε)f(ε).

After this we make energy continuous so that the probability that a particle has energy between ε and ε + dε is n(ε)dε=g(ε)f(ε)dε. So now g(ε) has become the density of states per energy, just as n(ε) has slightly changed its meaning to the density of particles per energy.
 

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