A rock, the earth, an ellipse and the joys of angular momentum

AI Thread Summary
The discussion revolves around a mechanics problem involving a rock of mass m orbiting the Earth with mass M and radius R, focusing on angular momentum (L) and energy (E). Participants explore how to express L in terms of r and E, emphasizing the relationship between angular momentum and the tangential velocity at the nearest point to Earth. The conversation also touches on deriving the escape velocity, noting its independence from the direction of launch when total energy is zero. Key equations, including the Vis Viva equation and energy relationships, are discussed to clarify the concepts. Overall, the thread aims to deepen understanding of orbital mechanics and angular momentum.
BigRedRod
Messages
6
Reaction score
0
I understand that this is a bit cheeky but I've found a problem on one of my mechanics problem sheets that is giving me a headache. As much as I could just ignore it I'd rather try and gain some more understanding of the vague world of rotation and orbit

part 1 said:
A rock of mass m orbits Earth, mass M, radius R with angular momentum L and energy E. Argue directly, considering the direction of motion at its nearest point r to the Earth's centre, that L can written r*sqrt(2m(E + GMm/r))

Even at this early stage I'm bewildered and my searchings and own ponderings still leave me confused. If anyone can quite highlight how L can progress anywhere beyond the obvious r x v (where x is the cross product, and v is the tangental velocity of the rock at it's nearest point to Earth) I'd be forever in their debt

For fun, here is the rest which flows from this first section

part2 said:
Solve for r, and by interpretting the two solutions, deduce the relation e = -GMm/(Ellipse Length)

part3 said:
Suppose the rock is set off by being thrown from the North pole at such a (very fast) speed to have total Enegy E=0 in a direction of our choice.

part4 said:
Conclude (without further calculation) that the escpae velocity is independent of throwing direction


I'm not asking people to do the question for me (although feel free ;) ), any general direction would be pretty damn useful

Thanks in Advance
 
Astronomy news on Phys.org
To answer your first part, we have

angular momentum L = mvr

energy E = 1/2(mv^2) - GMm/r

rearrange energy equation until you have v = something...

substitute that into L = mvr for v

multiply m into the squareroot and that's your answer.
 
Start with the Vis Viva equation.

V^2 = GM (2/R - 1/a)

The kinetic energy is

K = (1/2) m V^2

K = (GMm/2)(2/R - 1/a)

The gravitational potential energy is

U = -GMm/R

The total energy is

E = K + U

E = (GMm/2)(2/R - 1/a) - GMm/R

E = GMm { (1/2)(2/R - 1/a) - 1/R }

E = -GMm/(2a)

Notice that the expression for the total orbital energy, just above, is the answer to Part 2 of your homework problem.

Solve for the semimajor axis.

a = -GMm/(2E)

The angular momentum L is

L = R x mV

The magnitude of which is

L = RmV sin Q

Where Q is the angle from R to V. Since at periapsis this angle is pi/2 radians, the angular momentum in your homework problem reduces to

L = RmV

Refer again to the Vis Viva equation.

L = Rm sqrt{ GM (2/R - 1/a) }

Substitute the expression for (a) found above.

L = Rm sqrt{ GM (2/R + 2E/GMm) }

Rearrange terms.

L = Rm sqrt{ 2EGM/GMm + 2GM/R }

Simplify.

L = Rm sqrt{ 2E/m + 2GM/R }

Move the orbiting object's mass inside radical.

L = R sqrt{ 2Em + 2GMm^2/R }

Factor out the m.

L = R sqrt{ 2m (E + Gm/R) }

It looks to me as if Part 3 and Part 4 are really one question, and it is a trick question. An orbit with total energy equal to zero is, by definition, barely unbound having exactly the escape speed for its geocentric distance.

Jerry Abbott
 
Last edited:
Ah, ta muchly guys. That clears everything up
 
This thread is dedicated to the beauty and awesomeness of our Universe. If you feel like it, please share video clips and photos (or nice animations) of space and objects in space in this thread. Your posts, clips and photos may by all means include scientific information; that does not make it less beautiful to me (n.b. the posts must of course comply with the PF guidelines, i.e. regarding science, only mainstream science is allowed, fringe/pseudoscience is not allowed). n.b. I start this...
Asteroid, Data - 1.2% risk of an impact on December 22, 2032. The estimated diameter is 55 m and an impact would likely release an energy of 8 megatons of TNT equivalent, although these numbers have a large uncertainty - it could also be 1 or 100 megatons. Currently the object has level 3 on the Torino scale, the second-highest ever (after Apophis) and only the third object to exceed level 1. Most likely it will miss, and if it hits then most likely it'll hit an ocean and be harmless, but...
Back
Top