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The discussion revolves around solving the second-order non-linear differential equation given by \(\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = \frac{1}{x^2}\). Participants explore various methods and approaches to find a solution, engaging in both technical reasoning and conceptual clarification.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks hints for solving the equation, noting its simplicity but questioning the simplicity of the solution.
  • Another participant proposes an integration approach but is questioned about the validity of integrating with respect to \(dt^2\).
  • A different method involving the transformation of variables and quadrature is suggested, leading to a first-order separable equation.
  • Some participants challenge the integration steps and suggest simplifications, while others emphasize the importance of careful handling of differentials.
  • There are discussions about the potential complexity of the integral solutions, with references to non-elementary functions and Bessel functions.
  • Corrections and refinements to earlier claims are made, with participants providing alternative perspectives on the integration process.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of integration techniques and the complexity of the resulting integrals. There is no consensus on a single method or solution, and multiple competing approaches are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the challenges of integrating second derivatives and the implications of variable transformations, highlighting the need for careful mathematical reasoning throughout the discussion.

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Can someone please give me a hint to solve

\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = \frac{1}{x^2}

It is not a homework problem, but something for fun. It looks simple but is the solution simple?

thanks
 
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The solution appears simple.

\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = \frac{1}{x^2}
\int x^2 d^2x = \int dt^2

Or am I making a mistake somewhere.

Cheers
 
fatra2, what do you mean by dt^2? How do you integrate that?

thanks
 
You need to integrate over t twice.
 
Just do:

<br /> \begin{equation}<br /> \frac{d^2x}{dt^2}=\frac{d\dot x}{dt}=\frac{d\dot x}{dx}\dot x=\frac{1}{2}\frac{d(\dot x^2)}{dx}=f(x)<br /> \end{equation}<br />
for your favourite f(x). I defined \dot x\equiv dx/dt as usual.

Now solve for \dot x, and then solve for x.

This is a standard trick for these equations.
 
Thanks sv3t!

fatra2 I tried that method and differentiated to check but I got a differetn answer, thanks though
 
Identity said:
fatra2 I tried that method and differentiated to check but I got a differetn answer, thanks though

If you did, then you must have made a mistake in your integration. I did this integration, and the double-derivative brought me right back to the original equation. You might want to check your calculus.

Cheers
 
This is what i did:

\int x^2 d^2x = \int dt^2

(\frac{x^3}{3}+C)dx = (t+D) dt

\frac{x^4}{12}+Cx = \frac{t^2}{2}+Dt+F

Now, implicitly differentiating with respect to t,

\frac{x^3}{3}\frac{dx}{dt}+C\frac{dx}{dt} = t+D

And again,

x^2\frac{dx}{dt}+\frac{x^3}{3}\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}+C\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}=1

Does not look like the original

Can you please show your working?
 
Hi there,

Ok, you seem to complicate your life a little bit. Your different constants can be anything, so simplify your equation and make them equal to zero. You have the right to do so, and your equation will thank you for it.

Cheers
 
  • #10
You cannot integrate with respect to d^{2}x as you integrate with dt^{2}. The latter is a squared differential, so you just integrate twice, but the former is something completely different. Don't get confused.

The method that sv3t suggested is the best for solving this equation.
 
  • #11
Identity said:
This is what i did:

\int x^2 d^2x = \int dt^2
No. You cannot separate second derivatives into differentials like that. (Reminding us of that is one reason for the odd placement of the "2"s in the second derivative.)

A first step might be to use "quadrature". Let y= dx/dt. Then d^2x/dt^2= dy/dt= (dy/dx)(dx/dt)= y dy/dx so the equation becomes ydy/dx= 1/x^2. That is, now, first order and separable: ydy= (1/x^2)dx. Integrating both sides of that [itex}(1/2)y^2= -1/x + C[/itex].

Now, y= dx/dt= \sqrt{-2/x+ C/2}= \sqrt{(Cx- 4)/2x} so dx/(\sqrt{(Cx-4)/2x}. Now, unfortunately, you will find that integral cannot be done in terms of elementary functions.

Actually, the even simpler equation, dy/dx= 1/x, "Abel's equation", has solutions that must be written, if I remember correctly, in terms of Bessel functions.
 
  • #12
That's incorrect, Halls!

We have:
u=\sqrt{\frac{Cx-4}{2x}}\to{x}=\frac{4}{C-2u^{2}}\to{dx}=\frac{16udu}{(C-2u^{2})^{2}}

Thus, you get the exactly solvable integral:
\int\frac{16du}{(C-2u^{2})^{2}}
 
  • #13
For the OP:
Assuming C>0, we may rewrite this as:
\frac{16}{C^{2}}\int\frac{du}{(1-(u\sqrt{\frac{2}{C}})^{2})^{2}}

Introducing:
s=u\sqrt{\frac{2}{C}}\to{du}=ds\sqrt{\frac{C}{2}},
so that we essentially need to solve, with partial fractions decomposition:
\int\frac{ds}{(1-s^{2})^{2}}
 
  • #14
If I have done my partial fractions decomposition correctly, we should have:
\frac{1}{(1-s^{2})^{2}}=\frac{1}{4}(\frac{1}{1+s}+\frac{1}{1-s}+\frac{1}{(1+s)^{2}}+\frac{1}{(1-s)^{2}})

But don't count upon that, do it yourself!
 
  • #15
Thanks for the correction, Arildno.
 

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