A simple change in gravitational energy, but I want to be certain.

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The original poster is analyzing the effects of changes in gravitational energy and radiation from the Sun on a manned spaceflight to Mars. They are particularly focused on calculating the potential energy of a hypothetical rocket during takeoff and landing, using the equation for gravitational potential energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate gravitational potential energy using the formula E=mgh, applying it to a Saturn V rocket at low-Earth orbit. Some participants question the accuracy of this approximation and suggest considering Newton's law of gravitation for a more precise calculation. There is also discussion about the definitions of impulse and force, with participants clarifying their relationships.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the calculation and clarifying concepts related to impulse and force. The original poster expresses a sense of increased confidence after receiving feedback, indicating that the conversation has been productive.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of gravitational energy calculations and the implications for human safety during spaceflight. There is a noted concern about the potential dangers associated with the energy levels involved in rocket launches.

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Homework Statement



Welcome to the Australian Physics course! I have to analyse the effects of changes on gravitational energy and radiation from the Sun on a manned spaceflight to Mars. I doubt my abilities to solve simple problems, however, so I now turn to the vast collective of the Internet to aid me. I simply want to know if my calculation for the potential energy of my hypothetical rocket is correct. I seek a quantitative representation of the danger associated with takeoff and landing in this situation, so I have used the equation for gravitational potential energy to try and find a really big number that represents certain death.


Homework Equations



I'm hoping that I only need to use:

E=mgh


The Attempt at a Solution



Why do I say 'Welcome to the Australian physics course'? It seems that other countries have far less text in their physics than we do. As a result, I offer the TL;DR version, where I take the mass of the Saturn V rocket and assume low-Earth orbit at 300km, using normal Earth acceleration:

E=mgh
E= (3039000)(9.8)(300000)=8.93 \times 10^{12} J


Alternatively, you may read the full article in which this calculation features.

The changes in gravitational energy involved in a manned spaceflight to Mars are immense. Consider the Saturn V rocket, with a mass of just over three million kilograms. It is known that gravitational potential energy is given by E=mgh, so if this rocket is fired into a low-earth orbit of 300km, it will have a gravitational potential energy of 8.93 terajoules (8.93x10^12 J), only counting the height of the rocket from the surface of the earth. The total mass of the rocket after it had completed the takeoff process, however, was only 131,300kg. This new mass gives only 386 gigajoules (3.86x10^11 J) of gravitational potential energy. Subjecting a human being to this amount of energy would kill the person, so the rocket must be designed to protect any passengers onboard. Luckily, this impulse is being distributed over a long period of time, as the sheer size of the rocket poses a large inertia. To accelerate this mass immediately would be inefficient and painful for anyone close enough to see the rocket launch. This is using the definition of impulse as I=F/dt. The huge force of the rocket is spread over a large time, reducing the impulse, which reduces the potential of damage to the crew. So the changes in gravitational energy are immense, but the issue is resolved by reducing the acceleration of the rocket so that the related impulse is reduced. This reduction of the acceleration is performed both on takeoff from Earth and entry to Mars. There is also an issue of the crew’s bones weakening, due to the lack of significant gravity in space. Centrifuges are used to combat this, creating a force equal to gravity on the crew member’s body.
 
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GPE=mgh is approximately correct for low Earth orbit. But there is about 5% error in your answer due to this approximation. So your calculation is roughly right. For a more accurate answer, you should use Newton's law of gravitation.

About the main article, It think you've got force and impulse mixed up. Impulse is the change in momentum and so impulse divided by time equals the average force, not the other way around.
 
Bruce, I believe you are correct here. I just looked through my book and saw I=FΔt. So if I revised my wording to be along the lines of 'Force is reduced as time increases, as force is proportional to the product of impulse and the inverse of time', would I now be correct?
 
yep, pretty much. although technically, it is impulse divided by a period of time which gives the average force. So when you say 'force is reduced as time increases', this may cause confusion, because it sounds like you're talking about instantaneous force.
 
Excellent, thanks. I'll modify my work and feel far more secure now.
 

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