A Snippet of History: Application of Ptolemy's Theorem

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The discussion centers around the application of Ptolemy's Theorem, particularly in the context of historical mathematical texts, such as "De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium: Liber Primus." Participants explore both visual proofs and geometrical interpretations of the theorem, as well as its implications in various geometric configurations.

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  • One participant notes an interesting application of Ptolemy's Theorem from a historical text.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the identification of the upper chord as ##\sin(\beta-\alpha)## and seeks clarification on this point.
  • A request is made for a purely geometrical proof of the equality relating chord times diameter to the product of diagonals and other chords.
  • A participant suggests constructing a unit diameter and completing a right triangle to aid in understanding the proof.
  • A detailed explanation involving a triangle ABCD and the relationships between its sides and diagonals is provided, referencing the application of Ptolemy's Theorem in this context.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and clarity regarding the application and proof of Ptolemy's Theorem. There is no consensus on the questions raised, indicating that multiple views and interpretations remain in the discussion.

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The discussion includes references to historical texts and mathematical constructs that may not be fully defined or understood by all participants, leading to potential gaps in assumptions and definitions.

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Thought following might be of interest - application of Ptolemy's Theorem from "De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium: Liber Primus".

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Amazing visual proof of the trigonometric identity, but 2 things are not clear to me.

1. Why is the upper chord ##\sin(\beta-\alpha)##?
2. What would a purely geometrical (i.e. trigonometry-free) proof of the equality "chord times diameter equals diagonals' product minus the product of the other chords" be?
 
dextercioby said:
Amazing visual proof of the trigonometric identity, but 2 things are not clear to me.

1. Why is the upper chord ##\sin(\beta-\alpha)##?
2. What would a purely geometrical (i.e. trigonometry-free) proof of the equality "chord times diameter equals diagonals' product minus the product of the other chords" be?
1. Construct a unit diameter from either end of the chord. Complete right triangle by joining end of diameter to other end of chord.
2. Translate the Latin :wink: (don't worry - I'll type out a translation from Stephen Hawking's book "On the Shoulders of Giants")
 
In the triangle ABCD with diameter AD, let the straight lines AB and AC subtending unequal arcs be given. To us, who wish to discover the chord subtending BC, there are given by means of the aforesaid (Porism aka Pythagoras Thm) the chords BD and CD subtending the remaining arcs of the semi-circle and these chords bound the quadrilateral ABCD in the semicircle. The diagonals AC and BD have been given together with the three sides AB, AD and CD. And as has already been shown:

rect AC,BD = rect AB,CD + rect AD,BC

Therefore

rect AD,BC = rect AC,BD - rect AB,CD

Accordingly in so far as the division may be carried out:

(rect AC,BD - rect AB,CD)/AD = BC

Further when, for example, the sides of the pentagon and the hexagon are given from the above, by this computation a line is given subtending 12 degrees - and it is equal to 20791 parts of the diameter.
 

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