The far reaching ramifications of the work-energy theorem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the work-energy theorem, its mathematical formulation, and its implications in mechanics and other areas of physics. Participants explore the relationship between force, energy, and motion, particularly in the context of single and multiple degrees of freedom, as well as applications in electrodynamics.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the work-energy theorem is fundamentally linked to Newton's second law, ##F=ma##, and that both express the same physical content through different mathematical frameworks.
  • Others propose that the work-energy theorem can be derived from the principles of conservation of energy, suggesting a deeper interconnection between these concepts.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of defining potential energy correctly, noting that it must be path-independent for it to be well-defined.
  • There is a discussion about the application of generalized coordinates in mechanics, with some participants explaining how generalized forces relate to these coordinates.
  • Some participants draw parallels between mechanical oscillations and electric oscillations in LC circuits, suggesting that the derivation of energy concepts can extend beyond classical mechanics.
  • A later reply questions the perception of the work-energy theorem in educational resources, suggesting that some texts may misrepresent its relationship to ##F=ma##.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the relationship between the work-energy theorem and ##F=ma##, with some asserting their equivalence while others highlight distinctions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these relationships in educational contexts.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential for misinterpretation of the work-energy theorem's independence from conservation laws and the assumptions underlying the definitions of potential energy and generalized forces.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in physics, researchers exploring the foundations of mechanics, and those studying the applications of energy concepts in various physical systems.

  • #31
Dale said:
This is what I call “total work” to distinguish it from the “net work”. One difficulty is that different authors use different terminology.
Sorry, just to be pedantic I would say "total external work" to highlight that the work of internal forces (Newton's 3rd pairs) is not included.
 
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  • #32
cianfa72 said:
Sorry, just to be pedantic I would say "total external work" to highlight that the work of internal forces (Newton's 3rd pairs) is not included.
I never deal with internal forces. So for me that is unnecessary.
 
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