A strange definition for Hermitian operator

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The discussion revolves around the definition of Hermitian operators in the context of linear algebra and quantum mechanics. Participants examine the implications of a definition stating that an operator is Hermitian if and only if it has real eigenvalues, questioning its validity and exploring related concepts of diagonalization and unitary transformations.

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  • One participant questions the definition of Hermitian operators, suggesting that while Hermitian operators can only have real eigenvalues, the converse may not hold true for non-Hermitian operators.
  • Another participant asserts that the initial statement is incorrect, noting that non-Hermitian matrices can indeed have real eigenvalues.
  • A specific counterexample is provided, illustrating a non-Hermitian matrix that possesses real eigenvalues, thereby challenging the equivalence in the definition.
  • Another participant elaborates on the conditions for a matrix to be considered Hermitian, emphasizing the requirement of diagonalization through a unitary transformation and the presence of real numbers on the diagonal.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the definition of Hermitian operators, with multiple competing views on the implications of eigenvalues and the conditions for Hermitian matrices. The discussion remains unresolved as differing perspectives are presented.

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The discussion highlights potential limitations in the definition provided, including the need for clarity on the implications versus equivalences in mathematical definitions and the conditions under which matrices can be classified as Hermitian.

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In lecture notes at a university (I'd rather not say which university) the following definition for Hermitian is given:

An operator is Hermitian if and only if it has real eigenvalues.


I find it questionable because I thought that non-Hermitian operators can sometimes have real eigenvalues. We can correctly say that Hermitian operators can only have real eigenvalues but that does not define the operator, right? Is it some kind of convention or is it just plain wrong? Alas the physicists often don't understand the difference between an implication and equivalence.
 
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The statement which was give to you is wrong. One can find a non-hermitean matrix with real eigenvalues.
 
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Counterexample: $$
\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 1 \\
0 & 1
\end{pmatrix} $$
has eigenvalue 1 with multiplicty 2. It's not Hermitian.
 
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A matrix is hermitian if it has real eigenvalues and you can diagonalize it with a unitary transformation. This means that if and only if matrix ##A## is hermitian, there exists a matrix ##U## such that ##U^\dagger U = UU^\dagger = 1## and ##U^\dagger A U## is a diagonal matrix with real numbers on the diagonal.
 
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