A strange inconsistency when calculating area with decimals

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The discussion revolves around the apparent inconsistency in calculating the area of squares or rectangles when the dimensions are expressed as decimals or fractions, particularly focusing on unit conversion between inches and centimeters. Participants explore the implications of these calculations and the relationships between area and side lengths.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that when calculating the area of a square with decimal dimensions, the area can appear smaller than the side lengths when expressed in inches, but larger when converted to centimeters, leading to confusion.
  • Another participant argues that comparing area and length directly is meaningless due to the different physical dimensions of the units involved.
  • It is suggested that the comparison of numbers is arbitrary, as it does not account for the units, and that the behavior of numbers is consistent with their values relative to one.
  • A later reply emphasizes that squaring a number less than one results in a smaller product, while squaring a number greater than one yields a larger product, which explains the observed behavior in the calculations.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of comparing area and length directly. While some agree on the importance of units in such comparisons, others maintain that the numerical behavior is consistent based on the values involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these observations.

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The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the relationship between area and side lengths when expressed in different units, as well as the potential for confusion when comparing numbers without considering their units.

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I have a question about a seemingly illogical and strange aspect of multiplication and unit conversion that I have never noticed until now. It concerns the issue of finding the area of a square/rectangle when the length and width are expressed as decimals/fractions. Ordinarily, when you find the area of a square, the area is a bigger number than the lengths of the sides that are multiplied. That makes perfect sense; if you multiply two numbers that are both greater than one, you get a bigger number. But when the lengths are expressed as decimals, they end up being bigger than the area (product). That still makes sense to me because you are actually finding a percentage of a percentage. What really puzzles me is when you convert to different units of measurement. For example a square that is .5 x .5 inches, which equals .25 square inches. If you wanted to convert it to centimeters, you would multiply .25 by 2.54 x 2.54, which would give you 1.6129 square centimeters. Now if I wanted to find the original lengths of the sides in centimeters, I would take the square root of the area which would give me 1.27 x 1.27 centimeters. To be more concise, this is what I have:

.5 x .5 = .25 square inches

1.27 x 1.27 = 1.6129 square centimeters

What puzzles me is the fact that when using inches, the lengths of the sides are bigger than the area. But when you switch to centimeters, the sides are smaller than the area, just as you would expect when dealing with numbers that are greater than one. So you have a reversal of the usual behavior of numbers in my example, and yet they are still equivalent. Somehow it works out, but it doesn't make sense to me how that is possible. What is going on here? Am I missing something?
 
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You cannot simply compare the numbers as this is a meaningless exercise. In both cases, the numbers come with units and the units are important. An area does not have the same physical dimension as a length and it is therefore completely arbitrary to try to compare them.
 
dmehling said:
Ordinarily, when you find the area of a square, the area is a bigger number than the lengths of the sides that are multiplied.
Only if the lengths are longer than the length unit. A completely arbitrary comparison.
dmehling said:
the lengths of the sides are bigger than the area.
Comparing the numbers has no proper meaning. It's like saying "3 apples is more than 2 kilometers because 3 is larger than 2".
 
dmehling said:
To be more concise, this is what I have:

.5 x .5 = .25 square inches

1.27 x 1.27 = 1.6129 square centimeters

What puzzles me is the fact that when using inches, the lengths of the sides are bigger than the area. But when you switch to centimeters, the sides are smaller than the area, just as you would expect when dealing with numbers that are greater than one. So you have a reversal of the usual behavior of numbers in my example, and yet they are still equivalent. Somehow it works out, but it doesn't make sense to me how that is possible. What is going on here? Am I missing something?
This has nothing to do with the units, and is purely a result of the numbers involved. For the first area, the side lengths are less than 1 (inch). If you square a number less than 1, you get a result that is smaller than the number being squared. For the second area, the side length is greater than 1. If you square a number that is larger than 1, the result is larger than the number being squared. That's all that is going on.
 

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