A system of nonlinear equations (power sum)

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The discussion revolves around a system of nonlinear equations represented by power sums, specifically the equations involving sums of powers of variables equating to constants. Participants explore potential methods for finding solutions or algorithms to solve for the variables involved.

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  • One participant inquires about a general solution or algorithm for the system of equations defined by power sums.
  • Another participant suggests that while they do not know a general solution, the problem may have been addressed in mathematical literature and proposes looking into simultaneous polynomial equations.
  • A different approach is proposed involving the transformation properties of the vector of constants, suggesting that examining transformations could lead to a solution.
  • One participant introduces the concept of elementary symmetric polynomials defined in terms of the constants, proposing a polynomial whose roots correspond to the solutions of the original equations.
  • Another participant suggests focusing on solutions constrained to an m-sphere, reformulating the problem to simplify the analysis and potentially derive bounds on the constants.

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Participants express various methods and approaches without reaching a consensus on a general solution. Multiple competing views and techniques are presented, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants acknowledge the complexity of the problem and the potential for various mathematical approaches, but there are limitations in terms of assumptions about the constants and the nature of the solutions.

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greetings . i cam across this problem in a research paper I'm writing .

[tex]x_1+x_2+...+x_m=k_1[/tex]
[tex]x^2_1+x^2_2+...+x^2_m=k_2[/tex]
[tex]......[/tex]
[tex]......[/tex]
[tex]x^m_1+x^m_2+...+x^m_m=k_m[/tex]
[itex]k_j[/itex] are constants

in compact form :
[tex]\sum^{m}_{i=1}x^{n}_{i}=k_{n}, n=1,2...m[/tex]


is there a general solution(or algorithm to solve) for [itex]x_i[/itex] ??
 
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I don't know a general solution, but it's an interesing problem. The thread at least deserves a bump. It's the kind of problem that I suspect has been the subject of some mathematical publications, but I don't know how to formulate good search terms for it.

If this arises in solving some applied math problem, can't you find papers related to that problem that deal with it?

A more general problem than yours is the problem of solving simultaneous polynomial equations in several variables. There is a method, which I have not studied in detail, called "Wu's elimination method" that supposedly does that.


If we tackle this as a math research problem, one approach would be to examine the transformation properties of the vector [itex][k_i][/itex] when various transformations are applied to the vector [itex][x_i][/itex].

For example, let [itex][y_i][/itex] be some initial guess for a solution and let [itex][\alpha_i][/itex] be the vector [itex][\sum_j y_j^i ][/itex]. If we multiply [itex][y_i][/itex] by the constant [itex]\lambda[/itex] then we change [itex][\alpha_i][/itex] to [itex][ \lambda^i \alpha_i][/itex].

The thing to look for would be some more complicated type of transformations. A interesting daydream would be to find some that leave [itex]\alpha_i[/itex] fixed for [itex]i = 1,2,..p[/itex] and change [itex]\alpha_p[/itex] to [itex]k_p[/itex] and do whatever they want to the remaining [itex]\alpha_i[/itex]. You could use a series of such transformations to change the results of an initial guess to the desired result.

If we tackle this problem as a problem in numerical methods, there are probably many ways to do it, but I'm not sure whether that's the sort of approach you are looking for. For example, I don't know whether the [itex][k_i][/itex] that you have are the results of physical measurements or whether they might be integers or some other form of exact theoretical data.
 
one way to solve it is the following .

the elementary symmetric polynomials can be defined in terms of [itex]k_j[/itex] :

[tex]e_{j}=\frac{1}{j!} \begin{vmatrix}<br /> k_{1} & 1 & 0 & ... & & & & \\ <br /> k_{2} & k_{1} & 2 & 0 & ... & & & \\ <br /> . & ... & k_{1} & ... & & & & \\ <br /> . & & & & . & & & \\ <br /> . & & & & & . & & \\ <br /> . & & & & & & & \\ <br /> k_{j-1}&k_{j-2} & ... & & & & k_{1} & j-1 \\ <br /> k_{j} &k_{j-1} & ... & & & & k_{2} & k_{1}<br /> \end{vmatrix}[/tex]

define the polynomial :
[tex]f(x) = \sum_{j=0}^{m}(-1)^je_{j}x^{m-j}[/tex]

[itex]( x_1,x_2,...x_m )[/itex] are the solutions for the equation [itex]f(x)=0[/itex]

but i was hoping for some solution method that doesn't include polynomials and their roots !
 
At least we can confine our attention to solutions on a m-sphere.Instead of the problem:

[tex]\sum^{m}_{i=1}x^{n}_{i}=k_{n}, n=1,2...m[/tex]

Let [itex]\lambda = \sqrt{k_2}[/itex] and consider the problem:

[tex]\sum^{m}_{i=1}y^{n}_{i}=k_{n}/ \lambda^n = \alpha_{n}, n=1,2...m[/tex]

For [itex]n = 2[/itex] the equation requires that the [itex]\sum^{m}_{i=1} y^2_{i} = 1[/itex]

If we can solve the second problem then the solution to the first problem is given by
[itex]x_i = \lambda y_i[/itex].

We should be able to put bounds on the possible values of the [itex]\alpha_n[/itex] that allow a solution. For even n, I'd guess [itex]1 \le \alpha_n \le m (\frac{1}{\sqrt{m}})^n[/itex].
 

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