Graduate A temporal beginning of time is self-contradictory

[grzegorzsz830402]

TL;DR

Theorem: A temporal beginning of time is self-contradictory

Proof

Assume there exists a first moment of time, call it t₀.

By definition, there is no time before t₀ → there is no state in which time did not exist.

Therefore, there has never been a moment when time was absent.

Therefore, time has always existed → time is eternal.


The assumption of a first moment is false.

Theorem: A temporal beginning of time is self-contradictory


Proof


Assume there exists a first moment of time, call it t₀.


By definition, there is no time before t₀ → there is no state in which time did not exist.


Therefore, there has never been a moment when time was absent.


Therefore, time has always existed → time is eternal.



The assumption of a first moment is false.




There is no escape.


If you allow a “before” → time didn’t begin.

If you deny a “before” → time never didn’t exist → time is eternal.







Either way, t=0 as the beginning of time is logically impossible.



The only logically consistent placement of t=0


The only place you can put t=0 without contradiction is at past infinity




Therefore you can not have anything happening at or close to T=0




You can not say there was no time before T=0


There is no before


You can not say time did not existed.


Noth Pole analogy is often used.




So there is a problem with singularity.

 

[Ibix]

The singularity is the problem. It's most likely an artefact of our model failing to be accurate under extreme circumstances. We expect a better theory of gravity will replace it with something else, which might include a "before" or it might not, or it might include some new concept we don't have words for yet. It would be unwise to assume anything based on word games.

 

[grzegorzsz830402]

Word games are played by those who contradict themselves in one sentence.

Calling oxymoron theory is word game.

Calling it out is not.

If there is no way to test theory or there is no meaningful utility in assumption, at least it should be logically consistent.

 

[Ibix]

If there is no way to test theory or there is no meaningful utility in assumptio

What assumption are you talking about? The big bang singularity is not an assumption.

 

[Nugatory]

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