A Time Dependent Hamiltonian problem

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The discussion focuses on deriving the time evolution of a wavefunction and the expectation value of the Hamiltonian using the normalized wavefunction \(\psi = \frac{1}{\sqrt{5}}(1\phi_1 + 2\phi_2)\). The time-dependent Hamiltonian is expressed as \(\hat H \psi = i \hbar \frac{\partial \psi(x,t)}{\partial t}\). The expectation value of the Hamiltonian is calculated through integration, revealing that certain cross-terms vanish due to the orthogonality of the wavefunctions \(\phi_1\) and \(\phi_2\). The discussion concludes with the importance of including the time-dependence of \(\psi^*\) in the integral for accurate results.

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Homework Statement



We want to get the time evolution of a wavefunction and the expectation value of the Hamiltonian, and from there we can show that it's the same as the time-independent result. So to be clear: given a wavefunction, get the time evolution of that function and the expectation value of the Hamiltonian.

The (normalized) wavefunction is \psi = \frac{1}{\sqrt{5}}(1\phi_1 + 2\phi_2)

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The (time dependent) Hamiltonian: \hat H \psi = i \hbar \frac{\partial \psi(x,t)}{\partial t}

The Attempt at a Solution



For any wavefunction the time dependent form would be \psi (x) e^{-i\omega t}

That means that \frac{\partial \psi}{\partial t} = -i \omega \phi (x) e^{-i\omega t}

So for this particular wavefunction \frac{\partial \psi}{\partial t} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{5}} (-i \omega_1 \phi_1 (x) e^{-i \omega_1 t} -2i \omega_2 \phi_2 (x) e^{-i \omega_2 t})

(since we are taking a derivative w/r/t time)

Given that if we want the expectation value of the Hamiltonian (from interval 0 to L) it would look like this:

\langle \hat H \rangle = \int^L_0 \psi^* \hat H \psi dx = \int^L_0 \psi^* \frac{1}{\sqrt{5}} \hbar ( \omega_1 \phi_1 (x) e^{-i \omega_1 t}+2 \omega_2 \phi_2 (x) e^{-i \omega_2 t}) dx
= \int^L_0 \frac{1}{\sqrt{5}}(\phi_1^*(x) + \phi_2^*(x)) \frac{1}{\sqrt{5}} \hbar ( \omega_1 \phi_1 (x) e^{-i \omega_1 t}+2 \omega_2 \phi_2 (x) e^{-i \omega_2 t}) dx

and multiplying this out we end up with

\frac{1}{5} \hbar \int^L_0 (\omega_1 \phi_1^*\phi_1 e^{-i\omega_1 t} + 2 \omega_2\phi_1^* \phi_2 e^{-i\omega_2 t}+\omega_1\phi_1 \phi_2^* e^{-i \omega_1 t} + 2\omega_2 \phi_2^* \phi_2 e^{-i\omega_2 t})dx

This is where I am curious if a certain thing is "allowed." As I understand it the terms 2 \omega_2\phi_1^* \phi_2 e^{-i\omega_2 t} and \omega_1\phi_1 \phi_2^* e^{-i \omega_1 t} will go to zero, (at least when integrated). That should leave

\frac{1}{5} \hbar \int^L_0 (\omega_1 \phi_1^*\phi_1 e^{-i\omega_1 t} + 2\omega_2 \phi_2^* \phi_2 e^{-i\omega_2 t})dx

and the term \phi_1^*\phi_1 should be equal to |\phi_1|^2. If that's the case, then I can use the sinusoidal version of the wavefunction, \sqrt{\frac{2}{L}}\sin\left(\frac{n\pi x}{L}\right) with the n being 1 and 2, and just do the full on integration w/r/t x from there. That done I find that all the sin terms cancel out and with them the exponentials.

Of course I cold be wrong -- if I am spposed to integrate with respect to t though, it seems I get a similar result, though I would have a bunch of constants multiplied by exponentials with \frac{1}{i \omega} terms.

Anyhow I want to know if I am approaching this correctly or if I have really, really lost the plot somewhere. Thanks in advance.
 
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You forgot the time-dependence of \psi^* in your integral. Otherwise it looks good. The integrals are trivial given that \phi_1 and \phi_2 are normalized and orthogonal to each other.
 
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vanhees71 said:
You forgot the time-dependence of \psi^* in your integral. Otherwise it looks good. The integrals are trivial given that \phi_1 and \phi_2 are normalized and orthogonal to each other.

I wasn't sure if the complex conjugte would have that, but yes, you're right -- it should be there -- so that means that \psi^* should be \psi^*= (\phi_1^*(e^{(-i \omega_1 t)} + \phi_2^*(e^{(-i \omega_2 t)}), correct? And when I multiply that out I would end up with (\phi_1^*\phi_1(e^{(-2i \omega_1 t)}) + 2\phi_2^*\phi_2(e^{(-2i \omega_2 t)}) and integrating that is, as you say, not much of a problem (Interestingly, whether i do it with respect to x or t seems to make no difference; in one case I get sine terms that go to zero. In the other I get exponentials that go to zero as t -> infinity and get smaller in any case. I didn't know what that tells me, but it's a funny thing).
 

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