A train dragging coal while more coal is added into it....

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The problem involves a locomotive dragging empty freight cars while coal is being added to them. It explores the dynamics of a variable-mass system, focusing on calculating the velocity of the train over time under different conditions, including the effects of added mass and forces acting on the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss applying Newton's second law to derive the velocity function v(t) based on the changing mass of the train. There is an attempt to integrate the acceleration equation with respect to time. Some participants question the initial assumptions and the implications of the added mass on the system's dynamics.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the variable-mass system equation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the variables involved, but there is no consensus on the correct approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are addressing the implications of the efficiency (μ) in terms of mass addition and are questioning the definitions and relationships of variables in the context of the problem. There is an acknowledgment of the need to consider the work done on the added mass in the calculations.

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Homework Statement



A locomotive is dragging empty freight cars, while coal is being dropped into them. It’s falling down into those freight cars with an efficiency (μ). Overall mass of the whole empty train is M.

a) Calculate v(t) (velocity with respect to time), assuming that the force of train engine and the force of friction are constant.

b) Calculate v(t), assuming that at the moment the coal started dropping, the train engine was stopped. Assume that to drag the empty train a power (P) is needed, and the resultant force of friction remains constant. After what time (ts) will the train stop?

c) What additional force (Fc) needs to be used so that during the coal dropping the velocity of train doesn’t change and equals v0?

Homework Equations


After searching for few hours i found this Variable-mass system equation:

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The Attempt at a Solution


I still have no idea how to tackle it.
 
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Hello,

Firstly, let us see the first question.

If the train has an initial mass M (with empty freight cars) and the efficiency (μ) expresses the added mass per second, then from Newton's second law:

## a=\frac {F} {m} = \frac {F} {M+μt} ##

If you substitute the acceleration a with dv/dt, bring dt from the other side and integrate this equation (considering a velocity v0 at t=0), you can get the function v(t).
 
DoItForYourself said:
Hello,

Firstly, let us see the first question.

If the train has an initial mass M (with empty freight cars) and the efficiency (μ) expresses the added mass per second, then from Newton's second law:

## a=\frac {F} {m} = \frac {F} {M+μt} ##

If you substitute the acceleration a with dv/dt, bring dt from the other side and integrate this equation (considering a velocity v0 at t=0), you can get the function v(t).
Unfortunately that does not work. You are overlooking the work needed to bring each added lump of coal up to the current speed.
 
elkaka7 said:
this Variable-mass system equation:
Yes, that's the equation you need, but the next step is to figure out how the variables in it relate to your problem.
(Of course, it would be much better to derive the equation yourself instead of pulling something from the net. When you have found the answer, I'd like to help you understand why the equation is right.)

The reference to "efficiency" threw me, but as DIY figured out it means the rate at which coal mass is added. Where do you think that fits in your equation?
What about vrel? What relative velocity do you think that is, and what sign should it have?
 
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