What is Variable mass: Definition and 58 Discussions

In mechanics, a variable-mass system is a collection of matter whose mass varies with time. It can be confusing to try to apply Newton's second law of motion directly to such a system. Instead, the time dependence of the mass m can be calculated by rearranging Newton's second law and adding a term to account for the momentum carried by mass entering or leaving the system. The general equation of variable-mass motion is written as

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{\displaystyle \mathbf {F} _{\mathrm {ext} }+\mathbf {v} _{\mathrm {rel} }{\frac {\mathrm {d} m}{\mathrm {d} t}}=m{\mathrm {d} \mathbf {v} \over \mathrm {d} t}}
where Fext is the net external force on the body, vrel is the relative velocity of the escaping or incoming mass with respect to the center of mass of the body, and v is the velocity of the body. In astrodynamics, which deals with the mechanics of rockets, the term vrel is often called the effective exhaust velocity and denoted ve.

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1. I Does Lagrangian Mechanics Handle Variable Mass System?

How to handle a variable mass system with Lagrangian mechanics? As far as I understand Newtonian mechanics fails, because the object is not constant anymore, it is updated every moment to a new object with different physical properties. I don't immediately see how Lagrangian mechanics can do better.
2. Variable mass, uniform body, force -- pulling a massive rope

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3. Trouble with a Rocket Propulsion question (Variable Mass & Momentum)

I chose to set the upwards direction to be positive and dM/dt = R = 190 kg/s, so I can solve the problem in variable form and plug in. With the only external force being gravity, this gives M(t) * dv/dt = -M(t) * g + v_rel * R where M(t) is the remaining mass of the rocket. Rearranging this...
4. A The equations of variable mass systems

The equations of variable mass systems are usually deduced from some very informal argument. It is so at least for the books I know. So I tried to construct a formal proof based on the continuous media equations. Criticism, remarks etc are welcomed. Let ##D\subset \mathbb{R}^q## be an open...
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Can anyone explain this derivation of the variable mass equation?

This question stems from one of the recent homework threads. I'm familiar with the derivation given here regarding mass accretion and ejection, where the general idea is to define a system around body and all of the incoming/leaving mass so that we can once again apply NII to the whole thing. I...
6. Simple pendulum of variable mass

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Rocket moving through a cloud of dust, variable mass problem

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9. Variable-mass system: Falling drip

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10. I Variable mass F=ma versus Rocket F=ma

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11. Work done on an object given a variable mass

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12. A variable mass problem with friction

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13. Why Is Momentum Conserved in a Variable Mass System Like a Sand-Laden Cart?

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14. Atwood machine with variable mass

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15. Variable mass beans falling on a platform

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16. I Sanity Check: Four-Force & Variable Mass

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17. A train dragging coal while more coal is added into it....

Homework Statement A locomotive is dragging empty freight cars, while coal is being dropped into them. It’s falling down into those freight cars with an efficiency (μ). Overall mass of the whole empty train is M. a) Calculate v(t) (velocity with respect to time), assuming that the force of...
18. How do you solve the problem of a rocket with variable mass?

Homework Statement Rockets are propelled by the momentum of the exhaust gases expelled from the tail. Since these gases arise from the reaction of the fuels carried in the rocket, the mass of the rocket is not constant, but decreases as the fuel is expended. Show that for a Rocket starting...
19. Variable Mass System: Calculate Speed of Truck

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20. Mass of an annulus with variable mass density

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21. Help with variable mass on a slope question

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22. Falling Rain Drop (Variable Mass)

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23. Variation of mass in a system and acceleration

Is it really possible for a system to decrease its velocity with no forces acting on it, just because the mass in it is "varying"? Consider for example a freight car and a hooper from which sand is released into the car. The freight car will decrease its initial velocity if there is no force...
24. I Why are some systems defined with the name "variable mass"?

I do not get why systems such as the rocket in space are defined as "variable mass" since the mass of the system is not varying. The equation used for such systems $$\sum F^{(E)}=\frac{d\vec{P}}{dt} \tag{1}$$ (sum of external forces on the system equals the change in momentum) holds true only...
25. How long does it take for a rocket to lift off the ground?

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26. Power and Change of Kinetic Energy in Variable Mass System

I am thinking about something that is getting me quite confused. To illustrate what is confusing me let's have a cart moving in the horizontal direction on a track without friction, and a motor which adjusts to keep the kart at a constant speed V in the positive direction. Now, it's snowing so...
27. Variable mass calculation of thrust for a water rocket

Homework Statement I am trying to derive the formula for time varying thrust given that I know the initial mass/volume of water in a water rocket. Knowns will include initial pressure, initial volume of water, and nozzle cross sectional area. Homework Equations Bernoullis equation: (p/ρg) +...
28. Mass, Momentum, and Velocity: Exploring the Dynamics of Change

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29. Solving Questions with Variable Mass: Seeking Guidance

Hello everyone. I've been struggling with how to deal or solve questions that include variable masses. Considering the method I usually try to solve with, it either gets me lost or just makes things complicated and doesn't work often to me. :P I was wondering if you guys could help me out...
30. Variable Mass and Steady Leakage: Finding the Velocity of a Cart with Calculus

A cart has a load of 100 kg sand at start and it is pulled by a steady resultant force of 100N starting from rest. A hole in the cart causes steady leakage of 1kg/s. Find velocity v of the cart after 50s of motion. What I know about this is that, we have to use calculus. dF =(dM /dT) *(dV/dT)...
31. How Does Mass Leakage Affect the Velocity of a Cart?

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32. What method should I use to solve variable mass problems in physics?

I'm a little confused about these. Sometimes I have seen solutions where F=d(mv)/dt=mdv/dt+vdm/dt is used and solved as a differential equation. An example is this: A water drap falls through a cloud. It has initial mass m which increases at a constant rate km as it falls. Show that it's...
33. How do you solve a non-linear ODE involving a variable mass dust particle?

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34. Why Does Changing the Direction of Δv Affect the Rocket Equation Results?

I'm having some issues with the rocket equation. I'm deriving the velocity as a function of time for a descending rocket (so the rocket is accelerating upwards in order to slow the descent). The result I should obtain is v=v0+gt+uln(mf/mi) where mf is the final mass, mi is the initial...
35. Raindrop Velocity and Mass Dynamics: Finding Space Traversed Over Time

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36. Work Energy Theorem for Variable Mass Systems

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37. Variable mass system - sand falling on flatcar

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38. Atwood's Machine with one side holding a variable mass

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39. Conservation of linar momentum - variable mass

If a railroad car traveling down a straight, frictionless track encounters vertical rain that fills it with additional mass, will the velocity decrease in order for the momentum to be conserved? Will the opposite happen if the water is let out from a hole in the bottom? I cannot see any...
40. Momentum of variable mass system - train & rain

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41. Oscillating bucket, variable mass

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42. Calculating Force on a Man from Variable Mass Water Jet

Homework Statement Water with mass density ρ are being shoot from a jet with cross sectional area A and velocity v0 at a man with mass m0. 1. Find the force acting on a man at rest (assume all the water are absorbed in the clothes) 2. Find the force acting on a man escaping at velocity v<v0...
43. 1D (net) work done by (net) force on a variable mass system.

So I was sitting on the train last weekend, reading through my physics book on mechanical work and its relation to kinetic energy. One example would be that a box on a frictionless table being pushed and they would conclude that W = ΔK = ½mΔv2. Looking at this equation got me thinking...
44. Variable mass problem (integration help)

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45. Finding the Center of Mass of a Meter Stick with Variable Mass Density

Homework Statement A meter stick has constant thickness and width , but the material that the stick is constructed from is very strange ... it has a variable mass density that is given by, ρ(x) = 0.800(1 + 0.00250x) grams/cm3 where x is measured in cm. Find the center of mass of the meter...
46. Newton's laws in variable mass systems

Thread split from this thread. Not true. The spray can is generating a constant force, not a constant power. As a result, the work done by the spray can depends on the distance it travels, and the power generated depends on the rate at which it is traveling. The farther the spray can travels...
47. Variable mass for strange matter?

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48. Solving Variable Mass System Homework: Velocity of Chain Hanging Vertically

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49. The generalization of Newton's 2nd Law to apply to variable mass systems

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50. Orbiting around an object of variable mass

I'm curious - what would happen if a satellite was in orbit around an object which suddenly lost a large piece of its mass, or gained a large amount of mass? Of course this seems extremely unlikely to occur in nature, but I suppose similar reactions could be produced by using engines to counter...