A very small object following Earth in the same orbit

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The discussion revolves around the existence of a very small object that follows Earth in the same orbit, with participants exploring potential candidates and clarifying the nature of such coorbital objects. The scope includes theoretical considerations of orbital mechanics and specific examples of known objects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls reading about a small object in the same orbit as Earth but cannot find references to it.
  • Another participant suggests the object might be 2010 TK7, which is known to occupy a libration point relative to Earth.
  • Another potential candidate mentioned is J002E3, though its relevance is not fully explored.
  • One participant expresses certainty that the object they remember is not a space vehicle remnant, indicating a specific type of object they are seeking.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of coorbital objects, with one participant explaining that such objects do not remain at libration points but instead follow complex trajectories around them.
  • Another participant emphasizes that while objects like Jupiter's Trojans are often said to be at libration points, they actually oscillate around these points, which may contribute to misconceptions about their orbits.
  • One participant mentions 3753 Cruithne as another possible object of interest.
  • A technical point is raised regarding the stability of libration points, noting that they are stable equilibria despite being maxima of effective potential.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of coorbital objects and their trajectories. While some agree on the existence of objects like 2010 TK7 and discuss their characteristics, there is no consensus on the specific object the original poster is recalling, nor on the implications of their orbits.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of coorbital dynamics, including the distinction between being at a libration point and sharing an orbit, as well as the potential for confusion regarding the nature of these objects.

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A bunch of years ago, I read about a very small object following Earth in the same orbit, but not in any danger of collision with Earth (at least in the next few billion years).

Anyone know about the object. I have done a search but cannot find any reference to what I think I read about?
 
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Thanks to both of you. I am absolutely certain the article I am trying to find was not about a space vehicle remnant.

The description of 2010 TK7 meets my estimated time frame but my recollection is slightly different (and likely wrong :frown:). I remember the object as being in the 'same' orbit. [Repeat] (and likely wrong :frown:)
 
Michaela SJ said:
The description of 2010 TK7 meets my estimated time frame but my recollection is slightly different (and likely wrong :frown:). I remember the object as being in the 'same' orbit. [Repeat] (and likely wrong :frown:)
It is in the same orbit as the Earth ... what made you think it wasn't ?
 
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It is in the same orbit as the Earth
...from a certain point of view. I guess Michaela's recollection stems from a simplified press note about the first Earth Trojan. It is not that coorbital objects stay in any given point – more than 7000 known Jupiter Trojans couldn't fit into two Lagrange points on the planet's orbit. They appear to orbit these points instead, following tadpole and horseshoe-shaped trajectories, and some even circle the planets outside the Hill sphere, mimicking true moons. Check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(469219)_2016_HO3 as an example of not-the-second-moon of Earth.
 
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Ratman said:
...from a certain point of view.
no, not at all
Ratman said:
more than 7000 known Jupiter Trojans
we are not talking about 1000's of objects, just 1 object
 
@davenn @Ratman makes valid points. He highlights that objects never stay exactly at the libration points (hence their name). He gives Jupiter's Trojans as an example. Each one of them oscillates around the L4 and L5 points, forming a dynamic cloud. Still, they'd be normally referred to as 'being at the libration points', or 'sharing Jupiter's orbit' - even though neither is literally true. So it's quite likely the OP heard of 2010 TK7 as being in the same orbit. Whereas by looking at the animations on the Wiki page one can get the impression that this crazy-looking trajectory cannot mean that the orbits are the same.
 
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Weird thing about L4 and L5 libration points is that they are stable equilibria, despite the fact they are the maxima of effective potential. So it is not that they attract any object like a gravity well. The stability (in a rotating frame) comes from the fact that while any perturbation displaces the test particle from the exact location of the libration point, the displacement also results in Coriolis force putting the particle into stable orbit around it.
 
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