A Wild Ride - roller coaster physics

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The problem involves analyzing the motion of a roller coaster car along a track defined by a mathematical trajectory. The focus is on determining the maximum allowable value of a constant, A, under the constraint that the car's speed does not exceed 20 m/s.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss separating the trajectory into components and taking derivatives to find velocity. There is a question about how to handle the maximum speed constraint, particularly regarding the interpretation of speed versus velocity.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on the approach to take, including the relevance of considering both positive and negative speeds. There is an ongoing exploration of how to derive the maximum value of A based on the speed constraint, with some calculations being shared.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the urgency of the homework deadline and the challenge of arriving at the correct answer, indicating a time constraint that may affect the depth of the discussion.

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Homework Statement

A car in a roller coaster moves along a track that consists of a sequence of ups and downs. Let the x-axis be parallel to the ground and the positive y-axis point upward. In the time interval from t=0 to t=4 s, the trajectory of the car along a certain section of the track is given by
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where A is a positive dimensionless constant.

The roller coaster is designed according to safety regulations that prohibit the speed of the car from exceeding 20m/s. Find the maximum value of A allowed by these regulations.


Homework Equations


A = \sqrt{a_{x}^{2} + a_{y}^{2}}

The Attempt at a Solution


well, I have separated this equation into 2 components of position, rx ry
Rx = A(t)
Ry= A(T^{3} - 6T^{2})

took the derivative of each component to change R to V

Vx = A (this is A because, A is a constant and i just treated this as i took the deriative of any constant next to a variable with power of 1, just kept the constant.)
Vy = A(3T^{2} - 12T)

The magnitude of this vector V is
V = \sqrt{ A^{2} + (3T^{2}-A12T)^{2}}now.. my problem here is how can i find which maximum value of A whose speed doesn't pass 20, i HAVE thought of setting this equation to 20, but what about -20 velocity, since it asks for speed not velocity...this rollercoaster CAN go downward.

any advice?
 
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Okay, so what is that you are supposed to do again? You are right, except your velocity isn't right (but your idea is!), so far as I can tell what you are supposed to do.
 
im supposed to find what highest value of A can be put in so the rollercoaster doesn't speed past 20 m/s,

homework was due , couldn't get it, answer was 1.666 ...how can you get this?
 
Ah, okay. Whether or 20 is negative or positive would be irrelevant for the magnitude of the velocity.

So let's continue with what you did:

V = \sqrt{v_x^2 + v_y^2}

V = \sqrt{A^2+A^2(3t^2-12t)^2}

A = \frac{V}{\sqrt{1+(3t^2-12t)^2}}

So now we see that the amplitude will depend on time because the velocity is defined to be less than 20m/s. We also want to maximum, so let's take the first derivative of A with respect to time.

\frac{dA}{dt} = 0 = -\frac{1}{2} \frac{V}{\sqrt{1+(3t^2-12t)^2}}*2(3t^2-12t)(6t-12)

This equation looks sort of beefy, and because I have done enough algebra to last a lifetime I put it into mathematica.

Mathematica, a math program, tells me (after plugging in 20 for V) that the time derivative is zero, i.e. the maxima occur at 0,2,4. The zero and 4 times are out of our control, and we don't really care about them. So let's go back to A(t) and plug in 2 for t.

A(2) = 1.661
 

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